Vaccinations from next week

I know quite a few people like that.

felice

Whitewave I rest my case, also Jannsens the Belgian company have produced a vaccine.
It is very frustrating to listen to Britain pretending to be first in everything.

I don't think that Britain are pretending to be first at anything

However we are first in the western world to take delivery of the vaccine.

This is an indisputable fact

Just seen this

Whitewave I rest my case, also Jannsens the Belgian company have produced a vaccine.
It is very frustrating to listen to Britain pretending to be first in everything.

I ❤️ the statement from Professor Van Tam when he assured everybody that ‘Father Christmas is going to be first in the queue’. Very cute!

Yes, and I too am 'cheesed off with the wind and rain today' !

Well I'm taking the news of the vaccine as a good sign and a reason for hope.

Nothing is perfect, living isn't without risk but for many people this news brings hope.

Hope and good news has been in very short supply this past year.

I will be having the vaccine when it gets round to my turn. I'm well down the list but that's ok.

As for how the "list" was arrived at ? I'm just glad I haven't had figure it out.

Good sense Grannywanny I too got annoyed by the nonsense I was reading, and you are right, posts like that are best ignored

I took the bait and replied to Montana’s post while I was having a read on GN to take my mind off my daughter who has returned to work today after her second bout of covid 7 months apart.

After calm consideration I’ve decided maybe he/she is best ignored. Surely they can’t really believe the nonsense they’ve taken the time to post on this thread?

Lucca

trisher

Of course some scientists have been working with the best intentions but to ignore the huge profits Pfizer sees in this vaccine is just stupid. Pfizer has done some very dodgy research and hidden side effects of drugs in the past. It is very difficult to find a complete list of all the money they have had to pay out over the years because there are so many actions. But there are details here labourheartlands.com/coronavirus-what-do-we-know-about-pfizer-and-can-we-trust-them-with-a-vaccine/
No one should go blindly into this experiment and what really surprises me is that anyone should think it is better that they don't know about things.

So what is the answer Trisher please ??

Lucca I don't of course have the answer and I am not egotistical enough to think I do. I have serious doubts about Pfizer and its record. I also have doubts about the timing of this breakthrough. Remember when the Oxford vaccine claimed to be nearly ready and Pfizer was behind them? Suddenly they have jumped ahead. Given their record of hiding side effects of drugs, producing inadequate heart valves and other drug violations. I really don't have confidence in them. I do think people need to inform themselves about the whole subject. There are still people posting who think they will be free to hug their GCs when they have the vaccination. They won't!

2montana
I talk to many people about this subject and I am yet to find anyone who even knows of anyone who has had it. And I also note the absence of normal flu season this year. I haven’t had so much as a cold this year . Just saying. Why not think for yourselves.

I am flabbergasted.
There are more than a few on GN who have had Covid, who have lost friends or relatives to it. Even in my small village of 1000 people with low infection rates in our area, I know three ladies whom I have regularly met on dog walk, who have fortunately come through it.
So to use an expression, which planet are you on?

?we can always find something to agree on.

cheesed off with the rain and the wind today though

On that Whitewavemark2 I wholeheartedly agree ?

GrannyGravy13

It must be very draining to constantly be looking for negativity in a good news story!

If it is draining to constantly seek the truth, then so be it!

But I don’t feel drained tbh. Cheesed off with the rain and wind today though.

It must be very draining to constantly be looking for negativity in a good news story!

Gavin Williamson confirming his age at 10 years old as we have long suspected

Gavin Williamson won't say that Brexit helped us to get the vaccine first. Instead, he tells @LBC:

"I just reckon we've got the best people & medical regulators. Much better than the French/ Belgians/ Americans have. Because we're a much better country than every single one."

If I was healthy, I would be first in line to trial this new vaccine (given the speed at which this vaccine has been designed and trialled, I believe th a t those that take up the vaccine at this stage are effectively part of a wider trial).

However I'm not healthy, and as I would not have been able to take part of the first three trials due to pre existing medical conditions, and medications , I will not be taking part in this wider trial.

Montana, a friend of ours died of Covid, she caught it at a hospital outpatient appointment. That had been the only contact she had with people outside her family home. She then infected her children who had been caring for her and they too became seriously ill. I also know of acquaintences who have died. ?

My DIL's mum works in Covid ICU and her sister in the Covid ward, where people are not expected to live. The majority die, without being able to say their goodbyes to family.
Both are broken and exhausted and feel they cannot go on much longer.

There is less evidence of colds and flu this year because many people have been staying at home and avoiding public places.
For the first time in forty years I haven't had a chest infection in October and November because I'm shielding,

You seem to be living in a different universe from the rest of us, Montana. Frankly I'm shocked at your attitude. I take it that if you do contract Covid, that you will not be seeking any medical intervention, as you will probably refuse to acknowledge the fact that you actually have it.

Jonathan Van-Tam is quite charismatic and a good communicator, hence we will be seeing a lot more of him on TV.
However, I do wonder whatever happened to Jenny Harries.
Thinking back she did answer some very tough questions back in the Spring.
Especially the ones about personal relationships, people being able to see their partners.
In fact the impact on single people of all age groups does not seem to have been mentioned quite as much as it could be.

I talk to many people about this subject and I am yet to find anyone who even knows of anyone who has had it

2montana perhaps that’s because you spend too much time communicating with cranks and conspiracy theorists.

I know many who have had it. Including my own daughter and her 9 yr old son. My daughter is a nurse and returned to work today after 3 weeks of illness during which she had several days of being very unwell. She was short of breath, wheezing and had chest pains and required a course of steroids and inhalers.

She’s still not fully recovered but has dragged herself in to work because her colleagues are exhausted and have been for months.

I hope you will refuse treatment if you contract covid. Hospital staff are under enough stress caring for seriously ill and dying patients.

2Montana I have never met anyone who has had smallpox either, but I am know it is deadly, and that there was an outbreak when I was about 13. Think yourself very lucky that you have not lost family or friends to CoVid, as several people I know have. Do you think they were misdiagnosed, or hoaxing?

As for Roger, read this on his phone-in www.snopes.com/fact-check/dr-roger-hodkinson-covid-hoax/
*What's True*^
A man who identified himself as Dr. Roger Hodkinson, the CEO of a biotech company selling COVID-19 tests, said (erroneously) that COVID-19 was no worse than the flu during a public comment period of a city council meeting in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
*What's False*
Dr. Hodkinson is not the Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada, and his public comments do not align with the consensus of the medical community.
It was also claimed that Hodkinson was the President of the Alberta Society of Laboratory Physicians (ASLP), as shown in the caption of the viral video. The ASLP is no longer an active organization. The ASLP was a precursor to the Alberta Medical Association’s Section of Laboratory Physicians — a change that occurred at least 25 years ago — and that organization has distanced itself from Hodkinson’s comments. The Alberta Medical Association (AMA) released a statement saying that it “does not share any of the views of the individual in question”:
Do you believe that the Canada’s Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons and the Alberta Medical Association are also hoaxing you - to say nothing of medical and scientific experts all over the globe? Wow!, to do that they'd have to spend most of their time creating false records, photographing fake pictures of people in ICUs and persuading nurses and doctors to tell lies.

Casdon

Sarnia I don’t know about England, but for Wales it was announced yesterday that we will get a vaccination card, (it was described as like a credit card) with the details of the date and vaccination we have been given.

Excellent.
Now there's a thought, could this credit card (with micro chip?) not be set up to include prescription details

If his dentist really had 'flu, there is no way he/she would have been able to work. They probably had a bad cold, not 'flu.

With 'flu, the sufferer cannot even get out of bed for anything - let alone get up, get dressed, and go to work.

It is similar to people who call every headache 'a migraine'.

To 2montana, my stepdaughter works as a consultant in intensive care, and has seen many deaths, At my stepdaughters hospital the staff have had counselling because as she said "I became a doctor to save lives, not see them looking a bit better and then dying the next day", she was in tears .Obviously she is used to to seeing death, but not on that scale. I assume from you name that you are in America, there seem to be a lot of conspiracy theories there.

Totally agree and doesn’t it just show that being more conscious of how you conduct yourself hygiene wise makes such a huge difference out there, I had the worst flu from my husband’s friend who stayed with us some years ago. His dentist called him to advise she had a flu and it was ok if he wanted to cancel but he said no it was ok and went ahead with the appointment. A few days later gets on a plane, probably infected plenty of people. Then my husband who collected him from the airport, then me, and after 2 days with us gets on another international flight, really suffering by this time but sod it he’s on holiday. Totally selfish,