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Close the schools!

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GagaJo Thu 24-Dec-20 09:01:23

The Times yesterday reported that the infection rate for secondary pupils last week was 2,509 out of 100,000!! With the rate for primary school pupils close behind.

Rates of 300+ per 100,000 in the South East led to the emergency Tier 4 announcement at the weekend.

Rates among secondary school children are approx nine times this and primaries not far behind.

There can no longer be any conversation about schools remaining open. They need to close to all but key workers and the vulnerable and not reopen until the government has provided the money and means to make them truly ‘Covid secure’ or until enough people have been vaccinated.

How many deaths will we have in a months time when those infections have transferred to the elderly and vulnerable? How many more mutations will we have if the virus is allowed to carry on running through children?

It’s time to do what needs to be done. It’s tough and awful for everyone but it has to be done. The schools need to close.

So much for all those on here a few months ago accusing teachers of being lazy and scaremongering. Schools reopening have caused the new mutation, Christmas lockdown and the intro of Tier 4. Not to mention thousands of unnecessary deaths.

varian Thu 31-Dec-20 10:29:55

Daisy Cooper makes the case for prioritising unpaid carers.

twitter.com/libdemdaisy/status/1344354299879583746?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

growstuff Thu 31-Dec-20 11:45:46

varian

Daisy Cooper makes the case for prioritising unpaid carers.

twitter.com/libdemdaisy/status/1344354299879583746?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

They're in Group 6, the same group as people at higher risk:

"Other groups at higher risk, including those who are in receipt of a carer’s allowance, or those who are the main carer of an elderly or disabled person whose welfare may be at risk if the carer falls ill, should also be offered vaccination alongside these groups."

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948338/jcvi-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination-30-dec-2020.pdf

The guidance was updated yesterday.

blondenana Sun 03-Jan-21 11:42:49

I thought yesterday it was decided after all for primary schools not to go back tomorrow after all
Boris has said this morning they should
Does anyone ever agree,or know what is really going to happen
What a shambles,I have no young children but if I had I think I would be tearing my hair out at this mess
If I had young children,they wouldn't be going back tomorrow
Boris says it might come to closing schools later on,
Just do it NOW,instead of messing aboutand messing people about

Galaxy Sun 03-Jan-21 11:53:52

All primary schools in London shut blondnana, and I believe some other local authorities have announced closures but in the rest of the country primary schools return tomorrow.

Lucca Sun 03-Jan-21 17:43:04

Vaccinate school,staff !!!

MissAdventure Sun 03-Jan-21 18:00:19

Yes, yes, yes!!!
It's almost like a game of chicken; who will crumble first?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Jan-21 18:03:27

Starmer has called for a national lockdown, I think he is right to do so.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Jan-21 18:05:03

As a recovering cancer sufferer Monbiot is super careful but.....

George Monbiot
@GeorgeMonbiot
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Jan 2
As someone recovering from covid, picked up by my daughter from primary school in the last week of the last term, I know that schools aren't safe. Her contact with the infected person was brief and quite distant. But this new variant is super-infectious.

Galaxy Sun 03-Jan-21 18:34:41

Local schools in my area announcing closures left right and centre. Ignoring Johnson completely.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Jan-21 18:54:55

So to clarify, Johnson’s going to toughen the rules, but before he does that he’s going to ask children, teachers and support staff from different households to gather in thousands of schools across the country to spread the virus

Jonathan Lis

Hetty58 Sun 03-Jan-21 18:59:17

It's just blindingly obvious that we need an immediate national lockdown, with schools remaining closed, asap. I don't see how it could be avoided at this stage.

varian Sun 03-Jan-21 19:36:32

So many times over the last nine months our hopeless government just could not see what was blindingly obvious to mast sensible folk Hetty

Jaxjacky Sun 03-Jan-21 20:08:33

Our County Council are faffing about, our local unitary council has stated parents will not be fined if their children don’t attend. Hetty58 I agree, lockdown, tomorrow.

MayBee70 Mon 04-Jan-21 00:00:01

I can’t help but feel that the people will decide to go into lockdown themselves and won’t bother waiting for the government to tell them to do what obviously needs to be done.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 04-Jan-21 03:35:55

MayBee70

I can’t help but feel that the people will decide to go into lockdown themselves and won’t bother waiting for the government to tell them to do what obviously needs to be done.

The people are taking back control.

Nezumi65 Mon 04-Jan-21 07:08:07

Who was it that wrote the article recently saying that Johnson cannot take difficult decisions & so does nothing g until there is only one option left?

He’s doing that AGAIN.

Some of the stuff I was reading about the NHS last night was really worrying. It’s obvious that a proper national lockdown is needed - the new variant is spreading in tier 4, & that’s with schools shut the last 2 weeks.

Hetty58 Mon 04-Jan-21 07:35:51

The virus is completely out of control right now.

The teaching unions may decide that the teachers just can't be expected to work in such an unsafe environment.

That may well force BJ into making the right decision. Here's hoping. Saving lives is paramount.

harrigran Mon 04-Jan-21 08:06:45

Closing schools completely is not a good idea. Not every child sitting at home has a teacher parent or the work ethic to complete work themselves.

Galaxy Mon 04-Jan-21 08:13:29

Schools would remain open to keyworker and vulnerable children.

Baggs Mon 04-Jan-21 08:25:32

I'd be interested to see some statistics about teacher covid illness and death across the UK so far. Surely they would settle the question of whether schools are 'safe' or 'safe enough'? I haven't seen any so far.

I work with several key workers, some of whom could not have carried on working during the first lockdown if arrangements had not been made for their children to attend school (not always their usual school so sometimes twenty-five mile round trips were necessary to get them to and fro). I heard no reports of children or teachers becoming ill.

Similarly, none of my co-workers and none of the people they help in their key roles have become ill with covid since the start of the pandemic. None.

Galaxy Mon 04-Jan-21 08:26:54

I am not sure what that proves. I work into schools I know many many people who have had covid.

Galaxy Mon 04-Jan-21 08:27:37

Oh and my sons school pretty much had a case per week since they returned.

Baggs Mon 04-Jan-21 08:30:50

A request for statistics proves nothing, galaxy. I think data (and not just anecdote) would be helpful though.

Lucretzia Mon 04-Jan-21 08:33:43

Goodness, Baggs.

Where are you?

My 12 year old grandson was in and out of school during the winter term. He never did a full week due to either a positive tested child or teacher.

I have 2 teachers in the family who have both had to isolate due to an infection at school

Schools will never be safe. Nowhere will be safe

Time to close the schools, (open for key workers) and wait for the vaccine

Ellianne Mon 04-Jan-21 08:44:54

There ARE little pockets of covid free schools, but they are few and far between. Our DGC's primary school has had no cases, neither children nor teachers. The secondary school where DD teaches got right to the last fortnight of term with no cases. The infection rate here now is no higher than it was in September in their area. It would seem a shame to close schools where problems do not exist, but I do understand it being for the common good.