Vaccine groups

There doesn’t seem to be any mention of the under 50 S getting the vaccine. I know they are less vulnerable and it’s not known if one can still be infectious if one has had the vaccine but you would think that there would be a be chance of herd immunity if everyone had it. A huge undertaking I know and costly no doubt but that is how smallpox was wiped out I believe?

Nev
@nevillehurst2

Cuba has the most doctors per head of population in the world and have loaned some out to poorer countries to help with corona virus, Cuba has the virus under control without expensive vaccine and has a better free NHS than the UK Britain's NHS is poor and run down by the tories

I'm with Fairview will wait and see how things go. Am So in favour of Oxford vaccine. I too wonder about how long protection lasts and whether one can still infect others. My son lives in USA and talks about flying over as soon as he is vaccinated, will be sooner for him as he will pay for it. Not at all happy about it even though it's 18months since we saw him.

I'm happy in my little bubble and want to stay that way!

If I were to be asked, I would rather front line staff, shop workers and so forth to go first, followed by young people in their teen or twenties, starting out in life to be first. As I'm unlikely to get consulted, quite happy to wait until it's my turn. I am not likely to get mine until summer I think, but as I can isolate at home without starving or having a mortgage to pat I shouldn't be top of the queue. But is is what it is so no point making a fuss.

people squabbling about which groups are more important.
Crikey growstuff I can't see anyone on this thread squabbling about the order? Just thinking out loud and trying to puzzle together the logic.
My DH is just 60, working in education, and yes he is put out that he won't get the vaccine until next summer. It doesn't mean he is picking fights and wrangling over the vaccine order with the 78 year old lady over the road who hasn't wanted to go out for 10 months. In fact he is just off to walk her little dog which 3 working aged neighbours do on a rota basis.
People can be concerned and disappointed with the order, but we follow the rules just like yesterday with three householdmixing.

Yes Blinko is quite right. It's a drain on NHS resources. We are dealing with two new variants of the virus as well:

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/23/what-do-we-know-about-the-two-new-covid-19-variants-in-the-uk

farview I am completely of the same view no hard hat needed for me

Blinko

It's not really about whether people are economically active or not though, surely. It's about who's filling up hospital beds. And that's the very elderly. That's why they're first in line.

I agree. There are currently over 20,000 people hospitalised with Covid in UK hospitals. Most of them are elderly, who who wouldn't be there if they had been vaccinated.

This is about NHS logistics as well as the value of those people's lives.

OceanMama

Hetty58

OceanMama, there is no proof that vaccination prevents people from spreading it.

Are you saying that someone who is vaccinated can still be infected and infectious yet not develop symptoms? If so, that would create a more dangerous situation. Do you have any information from the NHS about that? I haven't looked into any of that yet as I'm not in line for a vaccine so haven't felt the need.

I just think, if it prevents the spread by making people immune, people like carers in aged care facilities, or who provide in home care to multiple people, should be high priority. That protects multiple elderly and (maybe) prevents spread via one carrier.

No, it does not create a MORE dangerous situation.

You can be infectious without having symptoms now. Indeed, that's how most people are getting infected.

The difference is that if you are infected, you probably won't develop serious symptoms such as Long Covid or die.

Even when people are vaccinated, we still need to take precautions by social distancing and wearing masks.

That's not more dangerous!

OceanMama

Hetty58

No, we don't know that yet either. We're up against something new, so can only guess and hope that it's similar to other, older/previous Coronaviruses.

This is why I am happy to watch and wait with the vaccine until we do have this kind of information. An easy decision for me though as I don't expect to be eligible until the second half of 2021. I'll find out more information and think about it further at the time.

Why does that make a difference to you?

Nobody will know how long immunity lasts until a substantial number of people have been vaccinated. It seems you're happy to let other people be guinea pigs.

Hetty58

No, we don't know that yet either. We're up against something new, so can only guess and hope that it's similar to other, older/previous Coronaviruses.

This is why I am happy to watch and wait with the vaccine until we do have this kind of information. An easy decision for me though as I don't expect to be eligible until the second half of 2021. I'll find out more information and think about it further at the time.

No, we don't know that yet either. We're up against something new, so can only guess and hope that it's similar to other, older/previous Coronaviruses.

One of the key things I want to know is how long immunity from the vaccine lasts. I don't think this is something we know yet.

The information I found says it is not known if the vaccine stops people spreading Covid.

I don't think it would 'create a more dangerous situation' though. We're in danger right now. People are highly infectious before they have symptoms (if they have any).

OceanMama I posted the link from fortune above. There is so much we don't know yet. Yes, I'm worried about long Covid too!

Hetty58

I'm having my vaccine asap. 'Wait and see' is not an option when I want to survive!

The only thing I'm worried about is the potential for long Covid. Though I'm not entirely convinced I didn't have Covid at the start of the year. It might have just been a bad cold though.

Hetty58

OceanMama, there is no proof that vaccination prevents people from spreading it.

Are you saying that someone who is vaccinated can still be infected and infectious yet not develop symptoms? If so, that would create a more dangerous situation. Do you have any information from the NHS about that? I haven't looked into any of that yet as I'm not in line for a vaccine so haven't felt the need.

I just think, if it prevents the spread by making people immune, people like carers in aged care facilities, or who provide in home care to multiple people, should be high priority. That protects multiple elderly and (maybe) prevents spread via one carrier.

I'm having my vaccine asap. 'Wait and see' is not an option when I want to survive!

It's not really about whether people are economically active or not though, surely. It's about who's filling up hospital beds. And that's the very elderly. That's why they're first in line.

The vaccine stops most people becoming seriously ill with it, that's all.

OceanMama, there is no proof that vaccination prevents people from spreading it.

farview

I'm really really not sure yet that I would want the vaccine...and if I had to have it...my gut feeling would be for the Oxford vaccine....tin hat on now and behind the settee...

I'll come join you. I'm quite happy to let other groups go first. It gives us a chance to see what happens among that group and learn more about the vaccine when used more widely. I'd like that kind of data before I make a decision.

I can see both sides of this. Not for economic reasons, but because the younger age groups move around a lot more and are more likely to be spreading it. Preventing the younger age groups from spreading it would also serve to protect the older and more vulnerable populations. Maybe there is middle ground? Vaccinate the more vulnerable elderly and the highly mobile (by occupation) younger people? In any case, it's been decided and it will be what it will be.

Grow stuff. I don’t think I’m squabbling ?! Just my thoughts but equally I’m very happy to accept whatever c the NHS do.