Chris Whitty moves to head off GPs' rebellion over vaccine doses

biba70

GagaJo

That has crossed my mind too biba. I will have mine here and daughter is so far down the UK list that by the time she gets it, hopefully it'll just be the Oxford vaccine and easily accessible.

A friend of mine (from Yorkshire) and her husband, were vaccinated here last week, Pfizer vaccine. They got a certificates, with the date, the place, the person who administered and the bar code- and the date, time and place for second dose. How it should be.

This is exciting news! My headmistress tells me teachers here are in group 3. And another staff member has a wife who works for Pfizer who said it is all systems go in Suisse.

I am eagerly awaiting mine. Being older, fat and having asthma has never been an advantage to me before. Hopefully it will be now. Bring it on!

Ah, whitewave ( another expert!)?

lemongrove the 'jabs' will not be given in the way that they were designed and tested.
How can you expect that to work out well?

If you get prescribed medicine from your doctor, but don't take it in the way you are instructed, why would you expect to get the desired result?

I read an article this morning that AstraZeneca will shortly be able to provide 2 million doses a week. The article was carefully worded, but NOWHERE did it say 2 mill doses a week for the UK. So I assume that weekly 2 million is in total, for the UK and elsewhere in the world.

lemongrove

growstuff you and another couple of GNers are doing a sterling job of trying hard to put people off having their ‘jabs’
And giving your own opinions whilst ignoring either Chris Whitty or J Van Tam on the subject.
Perhaps you are experts ( on this subject as well as others) but somehow I don’t think so.
Don’t have one if you are really so worried but stop putting forward reasons to not have it when you have no expertise.
There are enough stupid people out there already who refuse to have it, younger people ( who think they are invincible) and others who believe every nutty conspiracy theory doing the rounds.

Am I? I've already said that I'll have mine, so setting a good example. I've also been scrupulous about keeping to all government guidelines. I'm a model citizen!

Pretending something doesn't exist doesn't make it go away, which is what you so often seem to think.

I'm not the only person who has concerns, so don't accuse me of spreading the concerns. I still maintain that people (at least anyone with half a brain) would prefer transparency. If people want to live their lives like permanent toddlers, I suppose that's up to them.

Because experts (quite a lot) say that’s the best way forward for the country.
Of course it doesn’t mean 100% protection, and mask wearing and washing hands and being careful will have to be continues as will tier 4 or 5 for quite a while, but the vaccine
Will give a good measure of protection.

Social Media has ‘concerns’ ( most of them laughable) about almost everything.
I have a whole brain growstuff so don’t listen to anyone with half a brain.

All systems go in Suisse! ?

lemongrove

Because experts (quite a lot) say that’s the best way forward for the country.
Of course it doesn’t mean 100% protection, and mask wearing and washing hands and being careful will have to be continues as will tier 4 or 5 for quite a while, but the vaccine
Will give a good measure of protection.

How many times do we have to repeat ourselves without you directly answering the question?

The vaccine has been designed to be used in the way it was trialled and recommended by the producers.

It was not designed to be altered either in its dosage or interlude.

Pfizer have issued a statement to say that what HMG is doing is incorrect.

Since I have done plenty of reading on this subject ( not reading GN posters!) I think what is being done is the best possible thing for as many people as is possible, to get protection from the worst aspects of Covid.
I advise others to do the same....read all about it from as many sources possible......make your own minds up and don’t be swayed by anything on here.

How patronising. That’s what most of us are doing. We just come on here to discuss it and get other people’s opinions as it’s sometimes possible to misinterpret things.

The Oxford vaccine will probably be more efficacious with a 12 week lag between doses. The Pfizer vaccine is not.

It may work to slow the deluge of new infections, which is the government's main problem just now.
That doesn't mean it's an all-out good idea and doesn't mean that all is well with 'our jabs'.

MayBee70

How patronising. That’s what most of us are doing. We just come on here to discuss it and get other people’s opinions as it’s sometimes possible to misinterpret things.

Unfortunately, "Patronising people" seems to have become a mantra of the Conservative Party.

lemongrove

Since I have done plenty of reading on this subject ( not reading GN posters!) I think what is being done is the best possible thing for as many people as is possible, to get protection from the worst aspects of Covid.
I advise others to do the same....read all about it from as many sources possible......make your own minds up and don’t be swayed by anything on here.

You say the silliest things at times, and you still haven’t answered the question, which speaks volumes doesn’t it?

How about, apart from reading stuff, I have a daughter involved with the vaccine, who is a genetic scientist. Does that qualify as sufficient?

JVT’s article is an interesting read

GrannyGravy13

JVT’s article is an interesting read

If he is talking about the Oxford vaccine, then I have no issue with that.

However the Pfizer should be given as the manufacturers state until further evidence is produced that an extended interlude is safe.

I think you need to read from sources not bound up with left wing overviews (no coincidence remember that the biggest nay sayers on here are those who hate the Conservative Party).
I don’t give two hoots who is in charge, just that the UK is doing as well if not better than many countries, and I leave it to scientists working with them to do what is best for as many people in as short a time as is possible, not anecdotal
Comments about ‘daughters’ because frankly, no that isn’t sufficient evidence of anything. Read the comments from accredited scientists like JVT and Chris Whitty and others.

the uk is doing well if not better than many countries.
Well if “doing better” is a national death toll now rising towards 80,000 Covid deaths without the holiday effect, I wouldn’t like to think what doing worse would look like.

I think there have been some good and reasoned arguments on this thread, from posters who have bothered to inform themselves with such facts as can be gleaned, from many valid sources.

Prof van tam speaks sense and does have the trust of a lot of us. We need clarity and trust in these people.

I have a son who is an engineer so if anyone wants a bridge built I’m your man.

No other country in the world is considering going against the directives given by the researchers and developers of the Pfizer vaccine- none. As millions of doses of the AZ vaccine come along- it is essential the Pfizer vaccine programme is done properly, with 2 doses at the right interval.

lemongrove

I think you need to read from sources not bound up with left wing overviews (no coincidence remember that the biggest nay sayers on here are those who hate the Conservative Party).
I don’t give two hoots who is in charge, just that the UK is doing as well if not better than many countries, and I leave it to scientists working with them to do what is best for as many people in as short a time as is possible, not anecdotal
Comments about ‘daughters’ because frankly, no that isn’t sufficient evidence of anything. Read the comments from accredited scientists like JVT and Chris Whitty and others.

Oh I had no idea that Pfizer was a left wing company???.

So how does getting information from a genetic scientist who has worked on the vaccine not qualify as a reasonable source?

I got the same message from Pfizer and the scientist. Many other scientists, I would say the vast majority understand the risk involved in widening the interlude. It isn’t just whether the recipient will be adequately protected, but there is a risk of viral resistance being developed and mutation.

Of course once this has been tested then we may obtain evidence that extending the interlude is both safe and reasonable, but we don’t have that evidence at the moment.

What other country is willing to do similar? I haven’t read that there is any but I would be interested to know if there is,

LauraNorder

I have a son who is an engineer so if anyone wants a bridge built I’m your man.

More rubbish

JVT is unfortunately not an evolutionary biologist.

My concern is not driven by my politics, it is driven by my knowledge of the field I worked in for many years & my understanding of selection pressures and evolution. And the fact that many of those who currently work in that area (in fact more relevant than me - I never worked on viral evolution), are concerned.