Chris Whitty moves to head off GPs' rebellion over vaccine doses

I'll take a look at that thread Nezumi65 thank you.

It’s a bit terrifying in places Rosie! It may be fine, it’s just increasing the risk.

I think also they should be louder on the advice that people should still be cautious after vaccination - we really don’t want lots of mixing until community transmission is much lower - especially after just one dose. I have heard it but really don’t think that message has been clear enough.

So GPs are being paid an additional £10 per vaccination. I thought that vaccination services were part of the services provided by primary health care trusts. As far as I’m aware GP surgeries are paid per patient whether or not the patient receives any treatment. As many GP surgeries have provided a very limited service during the pandemic unlike their hospital colleagues working non stop on the frontline I really find this unacceptable.

Gwyneth GP practices are paid a fixed rate per patient, but many of the other additional services they provide are on an enhanced service funded basis, which they can opt to do or not. Normal annual flu jabs are one of the enhanced services they are paid to do, so the proposals for the Covid vaccination are being offered in the same way.

I think the fact that GPs have been providing a limited service does not mean to say that they are sitting about twiddling their thumbs. They are trying very hard to get medical care to those who need it via phone consultations and video links. The face-to-face consultations are few and far between and take a long time to book because they are having to observe covid restrictions and precautions, which means cleaning rooms between patients - all bound to take up time.

But I have had two face-to-face during the pandemic nd was grateful that these people continue to put themselves at risk for our sakes.

lemongrove

It seems to be a case of scientists/virologists not quite agreeing with each other, political ‘need’ wanting as many people to have some protection as possible and any other reason you can think of.
The main thing though, is that our ‘jabs’ are on the way.

Effective or not, why worry? As long as we get some sort of 'jab'.

Gwyneth

So GPs are being paid an additional £10 per vaccination. I thought that vaccination services were part of the services provided by primary health care trusts. As far as I’m aware GP surgeries are paid per patient whether or not the patient receives any treatment. As many GP surgeries have provided a very limited service during the pandemic unlike their hospital colleagues working non stop on the frontline I really find this unacceptable.

I find your comment unacceptable, untrue and really quite depressing, in that it shows that you don't have a clue what GPs have been doing.

Nezumi65

It’s a bit terrifying in places Rosie! It may be fine, it’s just increasing the risk.

I think also they should be louder on the advice that people should still be cautious after vaccination - we really don’t want lots of mixing until community transmission is much lower - especially after just one dose. I have heard it but really don’t think that message has been clear enough.

I agree. I really fear that people will throw all caution to the wind. 50% - 70% (whatever it is) still means that people have quite a high chance of becoming infected, if they're in a high infection area (which most are) and don't take precautions.

I sometimes think of it like accidental pregnancy.

FarNorth

lemongrove

It seems to be a case of scientists/virologists not quite agreeing with each other, political ‘need’ wanting as many people to have some protection as possible and any other reason you can think of.
The main thing though, is that our ‘jabs’ are on the way.

Effective or not, why worry? As long as we get some sort of 'jab'.

Are you being sarcastic?

Quite growstuff. All the ‘back to normal by the Spring’ stuff from the govt doesn’t help either. I won’t even have been offered a vaccination by the spring so there will still be a lot of community transmission - there are a lot of people behind me in the queue. We also don’t know yet how well the vaccinations work in the field so to speak.

It makes it sound as if once you have had one jab you are fully protected to resume normal life (have seen 90 year olds ‘hugging people for first time since March’ mentioned on the TV - after one jab). There needs to be much more caution. Particularly if they spread the doses out - you really, really want to stop transmission from partially immunised people - and not just to protect themselves but to protect against spread of any vaccine resistant mutations.

I agree with Rosen, until they can give evidence otherwise.

Michael Rosen
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I understood that vaccines should be administered in the same way as they're administered in the trials - same substance, same dose, same quantities. Any alteration hasn't been tested. It may be fine. It may not be.

growstuff

FarNorth

lemongrove

It seems to be a case of scientists/virologists not quite agreeing with each other, political ‘need’ wanting as many people to have some protection as possible and any other reason you can think of.
The main thing though, is that our ‘jabs’ are on the way.

Effective or not, why worry? As long as we get some sort of 'jab'.

Are you being sarcastic?

Read comments like that and despair- truly.

These vaccines have been rushed through, so the least we should do is to adhere to the advice given by manufacturers and their scientists, to the letter. Deviate from this and the vaccine becomes unlicenced and totally unpredictable.

I for on am really reasssured OH and myself will be vaccinated in a country where this is taken seriously and done properly. If I lived in the UK at the moment, I would refuse to be vaccinated unless the proper protocol is followed.

That has crossed my mind too biba. I will have mine here and daughter is so far down the UK list that by the time she gets it, hopefully it'll just be the Oxford vaccine and easily accessible.

I won't refuse to be vaccinated because I don't have concerns about safety, although I can understand the concerns of those who do have concerns. I'm more concerned that it won't work, so will carry on as though I haven't been vaccinated.

I prefer to listen to the scientists who have produced these vaccines. They are being very clear in not mixing vaccines and the timeframe between the injections. Why is anyone wanting to deviate from those instructions? Without these scientists we would not have this chink of light at the end of the tunnel, so listen to them. Why does Boris & Co always think they know best?

I prefer to heed what Kate Bingham, the chairwoman of the UK Vaccine Taskforce, said in October 2020:

"Ms Bingham said it was important to manage expectations about what a vaccine could really change.

She said: "These are not going to be silver bullet vaccines and everyone gets back to work as normal on 1 January.

"It's going to take time, we're probably going to need more than one vaccine for different populations."

When can we get back to normal?
Ms Bingham said it was difficult to put an exact date on when normal life could resume - especially without knowing what type of vaccine will be available, how many doses will be needed, how effective it might be and which age group it might work best in.

"There's a real sense of when can we get back to normal? Of course that's what I hope will happen, but we don't have the data to be sure that that will happen and it also won't be overnight."

One worry, she said, is that work on a vaccine would have to start again from scratch if the virus was to mutate sufficiently in the future.

But she was hopeful that by 2022 there would be no need for people to wear face masks, and was more confident that we could be bringing in 2022 with family gatherings and parties.

People may also be able to go on summer holidays next year, she predicted - although it might not be easy to go by air, depending on how effective any vaccine is."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54573288

When I read the above article, I remember thinking that 2022 would be a realistic target.

Yep Sarnia - and I think it has to be noted that Big Pharma is acting in a more ethical way that the government here. FWIW I am often critical of pharmaceutical companies!

GagaJo

That has crossed my mind too biba. I will have mine here and daughter is so far down the UK list that by the time she gets it, hopefully it'll just be the Oxford vaccine and easily accessible.

A friend of mine (from Yorkshire) and her husband, were vaccinated here last week, Pfizer vaccine. They got a certificates, with the date, the place, the person who administered and the bar code- and the date, time and place for second dose. How it should be.

Yes I thought the same growstuff - I wish Johnson would stop with the predictions that everything will be back to normal in a couple of months

YOU JUST DO NOT MESS AROUND WITH VACCINES IN A PANDEMIC

biba70 comments like lemongrove's, I hope you mean.
growstuff I was commenting on lemongrove's post. Yes, sarcastic.

FarNorth

biba70 comments like lemongrove's, I hope you mean.
growstuff I was commenting on lemongrove's post. Yes, sarcastic.

I thought so, but wasn't sure.

growstuff you and another couple of GNers are doing a sterling job of trying hard to put people off having their ‘jabs’
And giving your own opinions whilst ignoring either Chris Whitty or J Van Tam on the subject.
Perhaps you are experts ( on this subject as well as others) but somehow I don’t think so.
Don’t have one if you are really so worried but stop putting forward reasons to not have it when you have no expertise.
There are enough stupid people out there already who refuse to have it, younger people ( who think they are invincible) and others who believe every nutty conspiracy theory doing the rounds.

lemongrove

growstuff you and another couple of GNers are doing a sterling job of trying hard to put people off having their ‘jabs’
And giving your own opinions whilst ignoring either Chris Whitty or J Van Tam on the subject.
Perhaps you are experts ( on this subject as well as others) but somehow I don’t think so.
Don’t have one if you are really so worried but stop putting forward reasons to not have it when you have no expertise.
There are enough stupid people out there already who refuse to have it, younger people ( who think they are invincible) and others who believe every nutty conspiracy theory doing the rounds.

What nonsense

biba if you were living in the UK I have no doubt you would want to be first in the queue for these vaccines.Since you live in Switzerland you will have to wait ( of course, all vaccines there will be considered marvellous no doubt.)