I’m being made to feel stupid for sticking to the rules, anyone else?

We stuck to the rules the first time in New Zealand. We have no current community cases and those who tested positive when they travelled into the country are in quarantine. People are still using the trace aps on their smart phones because we don't want another outbreak. Stay Tenacious!

It is absolutely possible to stop a virus from being transmitted. A virus needs to latch on to a living organism to replicate. Viruses are not like bacteria, which can reproduce on their own. Canute didn't teach us anything about viruses.

Grany

What's as scary as Covid? The fact our leaders still have no plan to control it

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/13/scary-covid-leaders-no-plan-to-control-pandemic-cycle?fbclid=IwAR0DYMF68iQKLaky15Vxd6-QUCkIIJ6xYXCO60cXbFBPs6LlbQC-SLtpDJ4

You cannot control a virus any more than you can control the tides. Canute taught us that centuries ago. All you can do is mitigate the effects. Usually it is best not to make them worse in the process.

varian

I doubt whether it is at all accurate to describe it as benevolent now GR15

I was being generous, Varian. I'm not so sure it is benevolent either but for a little while longer I will give them the benefit of the doubt. " Never ascribe to malice what can reasonably be explained by incompetence.

Yes growstuff media darlings and the media don't hold government to account right wing bias Our newspapers are the most distrusted, in a poll a thousand people each for 33 countries, U.K. was voted bottom four years running So says John Cleese he's left U.K. and not back until proportional representation and Levison 2 implemented.

I see The Daily Star do on their front page show up call out this government calling them clowns. Universally Challenged Scumbag College.

Grany

What's as scary as Covid? The fact our leaders still have no plan to control it

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/13/scary-covid-leaders-no-plan-to-control-pandemic-cycle?fbclid=IwAR0DYMF68iQKLaky15Vxd6-QUCkIIJ6xYXCO60cXbFBPs6LlbQC-SLtpDJ4

Good article.

I would also add that the government hasn't been strong enough to stand up to people like Sunetra Gupta, Karl Henegan, Mike Yeadon, Toby Young and a handful of back bench MPs, who have been supporting one form of herd immunity - an argument which has been shown time and again to be flawed. They have become media darlings and the government is too bothered about popular appeal to listen to those who really know what they're talking about.

What's as scary as Covid? The fact our leaders still have no plan to control it

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/13/scary-covid-leaders-no-plan-to-control-pandemic-cycle?fbclid=IwAR0DYMF68iQKLaky15Vxd6-QUCkIIJ6xYXCO60cXbFBPs6LlbQC-SLtpDJ4

GrannyRose15

growstuff

GrannyRose15

And by the way, it is a mistake to think, as some on this site appear to do, that my views have necessarily meant I have put anyone else at risk at any time in the last few months.

No, it's not a mistake at all. A handful of people have caused a great deal of damage.

You are being extremely rude. How do you know how I have spent the last few months? This blame culture is doing no-one any good, and stems from ignorance.

No, I'm not.

People with views such as yours really have caused much damage.

Who was your father anyway?

Mine said all sorts of things.

Not to mention "promoting" cronies to the House of Lords.

Initiatives to protect public health are not dictatorship!

I must have missed all your posts complaining about the government's actions when it suspended parliament, attacked the judiciary, stopped think tanks speaking freely, etc etc.

I doubt whether it is at all accurate to describe it as benevolent now GR15

growstuff

To be clear my definition of a dictatorship is a country where the freedoms spoken about in the UN declaration of human rights have been suspended. Where oppressive laws are enacted by the executive without being thoroughly discussed and voted on by elected representatives. Where there is no effective opposition. Where the police are told they can interpret guidelines rather that enforce the law as duly put into statute. Where elections are cancelled and the people are therefore unable to have their say.

My father used to say that the best form of government was a benevolent dictatorship, and that description could, possibly, be applied to the present conservative government in that they all probably think what they are doing is in the public good. Nevertheless, we should still recognise it for what it is - a dictatorship. If we don't, and allow it to continue it will not stay benevolent for very long.

Zarah Sultana MP
@zarahsultana

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There were 1,564 covid deaths in the UK today. A record high.

How many in New Zealand? 0.

Vietnam? 0.

Australia? 0.

Taiwan? 0.

The Tory government – not the public – is to blame for these deaths.

growstuff

GrannyRose15

And by the way, it is a mistake to think, as some on this site appear to do, that my views have necessarily meant I have put anyone else at risk at any time in the last few months.

No, it's not a mistake at all. A handful of people have caused a great deal of damage.

You are being extremely rude. How do you know how I have spent the last few months? This blame culture is doing no-one any good, and stems from ignorance.

They could have stayed away, as everyone else was being told to do.

Maybe they donated separately and without publicising it? They would have criticised if they made a big thing of announcing, "And here is our big contribution." They can't win whatever they do or don't do.

Emails released under freedom of information legislation show that the royals disregarded calls to postpone the trip.

The royal family ignored two Scottish Government warnings not to travel to Scotland as part of their much criticised Royal train tour.

The arrogance of superspreaders! Imagine visiting struggling food bank in luxury train during a pandemic and bringing no food or any help. Wait the train didn’t even have food on it for the food banks?! How did I miss that. You have a big ass train the amount of food they could and should have donated and med supplies. And nothing! What was the point?

And the new strain of C19 in London at the time.

GrannyRose15

And by the way, it is a mistake to think, as some on this site appear to do, that my views have necessarily meant I have put anyone else at risk at any time in the last few months.

No, it's not a mistake at all. A handful of people have caused a great deal of damage.

GrannyRose15

growstuff

GrannyRose Are you the poster who said we should "Keep Calm and Carry On, who said that schools should have remained fully open and claimed children don't spread the disease, that the NHS should have carries on treating people as normal (despite not having the resources)", said elderly people should have continued receiving visitors and said Christmas shouldn't have been "cancelled"?

I don't think that that sounds exactly like my post although I do agree with many of its sentiments. My view is that this whole coronavirus nightmare has been an extreme over-reaction by government that will result in far more damage to our society than the virus itself. Loneliness can be a killer, as can delays in treatment for serious illnesses. It will take years for our children to recover from the disruption in their education and the severe anxiety that has been rife in the population. And don't even get me started on the damage to democracy caused by our willingness to live in a dictatorship for an entire year.

I could give a link to your post, but I don't think it's allowed.

There were 1,243 deaths recorded yesterday, many of which could have been avoided if people didn't hold views such as yours.

And, yes, that's deaths - not cases - I do know the difference. Covid-19 is a killer!

IMO your opinion that we have lived in a dictatorship for a year is ridiculous, as is your assertion that severe anxiety is "rife".

And by the way, it is a mistake to think, as some on this site appear to do, that my views have necessarily meant I have put anyone else at risk at any time in the last few months.

growstuff

GrannyRose Are you the poster who said we should "Keep Calm and Carry On, who said that schools should have remained fully open and claimed children don't spread the disease, that the NHS should have carries on treating people as normal (despite not having the resources)", said elderly people should have continued receiving visitors and said Christmas shouldn't have been "cancelled"?

I don't think that that sounds exactly like my post although I do agree with many of its sentiments. My view is that this whole coronavirus nightmare has been an extreme over-reaction by government that will result in far more damage to our society than the virus itself. Loneliness can be a killer, as can delays in treatment for serious illnesses. It will take years for our children to recover from the disruption in their education and the severe anxiety that has been rife in the population. And don't even get me started on the damage to democracy caused by our willingness to live in a dictatorship for an entire year.

TenaciousB, Things have really changed since this post began. No more little comments about my 'overreacting' or being a 'killjoy' now.

Still, I have one friend who just doesn't watch the news, doesn't know the rules (doesn't want to know - as it wouldn't suit her), can't adjust etc. There's always one!

GrannyRose Are you the poster who said we should "Keep Calm and Carry On, who said that schools should have remained fully open and claimed children don't spread the disease, that the NHS should have carries on treating people as normal (despite not having the resources)", said elderly people should have continued receiving visitors and said Christmas shouldn't have been "cancelled"?

GrannyRose15

Grow stuff. Don't worry about how many have supposedly got this thing at the moment. Most of them aren't ill and very few will die. It is the death rate we were talking about. That is the number of people who get the virus and go on to die. Please don't confuse the two or yes you will be worried. The death rate varies depending on your age. But under eighties don't have a lot to worry about. Conflating the rates is what results in these terrifying figures.

I'm not confusing the two. And I'm not worrying myself. Why on earth should I be worried? I'm not in a situation where I have to put myself at risk. I know perfectly well what "death rate" means.

The point is that a high transmission rate does lead to a higher death rate. You can see that from looking at historic statistics.

By the way, under 80s most certainly do have something to worry about.