If it’s just inconvenient and I could do the travel then I would go and save the local vaccination for someone who can’t.
Ethical question - how do you feel about second chance??
The NHS could vaccinate the entire population in five days but is being hampered by bureaucracy, a leading immunologist has claimed.
Sir John Bell, regius chair of medicine at the University of Oxford, said stubborn NHS bureaucrats were standing in the way of a high-speed mass inoculation programme that could prevent many further deaths.
“The NHS has the theoretical capacity to immunise everybody in five days if they want to, but I don’t get the sense they are really motivated,” Bell told the Times.
“Did you see the list of things you have to do to volunteer to help the inoculation programme? To impose it on people who are just sticking a needle in an arm is bonkers.”
uk.news.yahoo.com/nhs-could-vaccinate-uk-against-163726271.html
If it’s just inconvenient and I could do the travel then I would go and save the local vaccination for someone who can’t.
And they should be ashamed of themselves for it Charleygirl5. How many useful staff have they lost because it? How much delay has it caused?
Thanks Maw. I chuckled as I wrote it.
Simples
Vaccination delivered by Amazon. Definitely not Hermes
Van Tam could do a you tube video showing us all how vaccinate ourselves
Job done as they say.?
Like several things during this pandemic the Government are far too slow to act.
Logistics and planning are not their strong points as we saw with PPE provision, exam algorithms, testing centres and test and trace and here we are again. If Boris & Co had got their act together when these vaccines were first mentioned, 10 months ago, they would have had plenty of people vetted, trained and ready to administer the vaccine when the time came. Incompetence on an industrial scale.
paddyanne
I got my flu jag in the community centre,there were stations set up around it and no seats.It was a a case of walk in to a free station hand over your paperwork and get jagged.We were told to have sleeves rolled up as we went in.It took two minutes at most .In one door and out another .The door was held open by a person wearin PPE .
I'm sure they could get through a lot in an hour if they used this system
What happens if you have a bad reaction 5 minutes after your jab. I though you had to sit down for 15 minutes before getting the all clear.
* “The NHS has the theoretical capacity to immunise everybody in five days if they want to,*
Theoretical being the operative word.
I have great faith in Sir John Bell
He's given some excellent interviews
We could do with a few more like him
Sarnia
Like several things during this pandemic the Government are far too slow to act.
Logistics and planning are not their strong points as we saw with PPE provision, exam algorithms, testing centres and test and trace and here we are again. If Boris & Co had got their act together when these vaccines were first mentioned, 10 months ago, they would have had plenty of people vetted, trained and ready to administer the vaccine when the time came. Incompetence on an industrial scale.
That makes the rest of the countries in Europe even more incompetent we are far in advance of them
Nightsky2 not necessary for the Oxford vaccine
Nightsky2
paddyanne
I got my flu jag in the community centre,there were stations set up around it and no seats.It was a a case of walk in to a free station hand over your paperwork and get jagged.We were told to have sleeves rolled up as we went in.It took two minutes at most .In one door and out another .The door was held open by a person wearin PPE .
I'm sure they could get through a lot in an hour if they used this systemWhat happens if you have a bad reaction 5 minutes after your jab. I though you had to sit down for 15 minutes before getting the all clear.
Sorry, should have stayed in bed
Nightsky I agree with you. It may be a minuscule amount but it will happen somewhere.
Sarnia
Like several things during this pandemic the Government are far too slow to act.
Logistics and planning are not their strong points as we saw with PPE provision, exam algorithms, testing centres and test and trace and here we are again. If Boris & Co had got their act together when these vaccines were first mentioned, 10 months ago, they would have had plenty of people vetted, trained and ready to administer the vaccine when the time came. Incompetence on an industrial scale.
I'm going to keep saying this, if I have to.
They are not far too slow. They have been faster than any other country in Europe and nearly every other country in the World - only 4 are faster. Stop complaining.
You carry on, Alegrias1
Maybe it will sink in eventually
???
Thanks Lucretzia. I don't even like the Tories, but honestly, let's not look for problems that aren't there!
A retired nurse friend volunteered to administer the vaccine but her diversity training was out of date so she has to do it again to take part.
Ridiculous!
rosie1959
Nightsky2 not necessary for the Oxford vaccine
Thank you Rosie.
Nightsky I just read in PULSE (online for medical professionals) the Oxford vaccine does not require a 15 minute wait, there have been no allergic reactions.
Missfoodlove totally agree why on earth do you need diversity training to give someone a possibility life saving injection.
I am quite happy to have the local vet do mine ! In fact pass it over and I will do it myself I learned to inject my daughter in under 30 mins she then could do it quite happily herself she was 8 years old
Drop the red tape please
Someone posted a video online yesterday. He had taken his parents to a vaccination centre. There was a queue which must have stretched for a couple of miles. He filmed as they were driving past. There were hundreds of (mostly elderly) people standing in the freezing cold with no social distancing.
He took his parents back home.
I thought paddy Anne was talking about her FLU jab?
Kate1949=seems odd if that many were booked in at once
Could it be that like my dear stepmother if they have a 3pm appointment she likes to turn up at 2.30 just incase
Lucca
I thought paddy Anne was talking about her FLU jab?
Yes she was
rosie That's what I thought. I wondered whether people were just turning up. If I was clever enough I could post a link.
My GP surgery did the flu vaccine very efficiently, so hope this will be similar. I’ll go when I’m called. Regarding Sir John Bell’s statement about “people who are just sticking a needle in an arm” I think this is dismissive and contemptuous and I would very much expect anybody sticking a needle in my arm to have an appropriate level of competence.
Like the checkin at the airport. I’m here early but I’d better join the queue ?
Unlike hairdressers, dentists, opticians etc the NHS often don’t use an efficient appointment system.
They just put appointments on the hour and leave people waiting.
My elderly mother had an 8.00 am outpatient appt a few years ago.
I asked in the waiting room what time everybody's appointments were.
The reply was 8.00 am!
10 people!
My mother was seen at 2.00 pm as her surname began with S.
She had been up for hours and had only water to drink as per the instructions.
The staff had a lunch break in this time.
My complaint was acknowledged but the excuse was that it was easier for staff if everyone arrived in the morning and they were assessed then seen.
Apparently staff preferred to do all the assessments together.
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