People who will not have the vaccine

I will be having the vaccine as soon as I’m called but people can’t be forced to have it against their will.

There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, you have the right to refuse treatment. You could introduce consequences, so you cant attend concerts, fly etc if unvaccinated. I would prefer education to be honest.

They can’t force it but there is talk of a certificate of proof so may mean isolating for far longer.

I agree with the no fly / travel sanction. Also for multiple person events / venues.

You have the right not to take a vaccine. But you don't have the right to willfully put others at risk because of your own choice.

I agree that people shouldn't be forced to have the vaccine (or any medical treatment they don't want to have), but as the pandemic is such a massive threat to all of us, I think that it is fair to insist that anyone wanting to mix in society should not be allowed to do so unless they are immunised.

Education is the best way forward, but if people still refuse, I think that they should not be allowed to go to shops, pubs, concerts, school gates and so on - basically anywhere where they could infect other people. Quite how this could be policed, however, I'm not sure, as the unvaccinated won't stand out in a crowd .

I also think that there should be a stamp on the passports of those who have had the vaccine, so that refuseniks can be refused entry into countries who choose not to allow potential spreaders to cross their borders (as I hope the UK would do too).

None of this would apply to people who have medical exemption in the form of an official certificate signed by a qualified and registered doctor.

I very much doubt consequences will be introduced.

Anyone thinking they will not have the vaccine or are worried about it should read MaddyOne's experience: Suffering COVID.

One member of her family was tested positive and it quickly went through so many other members, including her. MaddyOne is now the long road to recovery. 84,767+ people are not.

I will have the vaccine, not just to protect myself but others, especially all my family and friends. I will also carry on wearing a mask.

Doodledog, passport stamp is a GREAT idea.

I will also continue wearing a mask Woodmouse. I usually catch every bug or germ going. I haven't had one cold this year, just from mask wearing and careful hand washing.

But if you have had the vaccine then that person cannot infect you, they can only become ill themselves. Is that right? No it shouldn’t be made compulsory but you could be prevented from travelling, working with the public etc.

A passport stamp would be easy to forge, though.

When we lived in W Africa we weren’t allowed into the country without a Yellow Fever vaccination. You either showed a YF certificate or they would vaccinate you there and then in the immigration queue, for a not-considerable sum of money.

They don’t know yet if the vaccine prevents transmission Also you can still catch the virus as the vaccine is not 100% but the vaccine should lessen the effects of the virus

That may well be the case, BlueSky but all that has been proved conclusively so far is that if you have had the vaccine and you do catch the virus, you will have it a lot less badly than if you have not been vaccinated. I believe they said that none of those in the trials who had had the vaccine needed to be hospitalised.

Yes Elegran I expect it to be like the flu jab, they tell you that if you still catch it’ll be much less serious.

You could say the same thing about other passport stamps SD, but you don't hear of it happening.

Well I certainly wasn't protected from a near death experience this time last year after having had the 'flu jab. Which is why this one, if I'm honest, scares me witless.

But didn't you have covid EV?

I would definitely say that I did Gagajo.
I never felt well until 6 months later, last June.

My bro had it in March. He is still having health issues now. He was 51 at the time. No other health problems.

I'm not surprised that he's still having health issues Gagajo. It knocks you sideways and the older you are the longer it takes to get back to anything like normal. I'm not as I was before I had it, but if I remain as I am at present it'll do me.

EllanVannin

Well I certainly wasn't protected from a near death experience this time last year after having had the 'flu jab. Which is why this one, if I'm honest, scares me witless.

i don't understand the point you are making.
you replied to a pp that you had had Covid, so how could you expect the flu jab to protect you from that ?

It is not just a case of whether people agree to have the vaccine - it is also the ''where'' and ''when''. I had a call today at after 12 noon from my Health Centre telling me to go for vaccine (Pfizer) this afternoon but I do not have any transport and when I tried to look up buses on TFL their searches only came back about about walking and cycling, nothing at all about any bus I might get. So does that mean there are no buses available for that route or any near it? I asked the person who phoned if I could wait until it was available at the surgery - she said it was doubtful they would ever get it there. So I did not go for it today as it is too far for me to walk. I don't know if I could have got a mini -cab at such short notice. I was not expecting any contact this week and thought people were being sent letters first.

Yes, it does seem to have been ill-thought-out when it comes to getting the vaccine to people.

My mum and MIL have had theirs, but both centres were several miles from their respective home towns, and not on a bus route, even if they had wanted to get on a bus or in a taxi.

As it was, they each had a driver in their bubble who could give them a lift, but not everyone could say that, and I doubt that a high percentage of over-80s are likely to be still driving.

welbeck

EllanVannin

Well I certainly wasn't protected from a near death experience this time last year after having had the 'flu jab. Which is why this one, if I'm honest, scares me witless.

i don't understand the point you are making.
you replied to a pp that you had had Covid, so how could you expect the flu jab to protect you from that ?

Had it been " normal " 'flu, I'd have expected some form of protection, but I had the illness before it was made public that it was a pandemic.

GagaJo

You could say the same thing about other passport stamps SD, but you don't hear of it happening.

Fake passport stamps are very easy to obtain in certain countries, Gagajo. Though I’m not aware of any other vaccinations that require a stamp in your passport.

We haven't been in this position before though. Maybe it could be linked to your passport number, in the same way they can put a no fly ban on some badly behaved people.