South Africa has paused the rollout of the AZ vaccine

suziewoozie

The median age was 31 not the average. The upper age was 40 which is the really relevant fact

Average / Median depends where you are getting the information. The American Professor of epidemiology who is based at one of the Scottish Universities repeatedly said “average age” on the news this morning.

Too many have died after having had vaccinations---why ?
It seems to have been the Pfizer one where to begin with there were 23 deaths in Norway. Other's have occured in other countries including our own. It's not acceptable !
Don't you think that there should be a call for more testing before another vaccine is just cobbled together ?

If it means that we can still catch CV after having the Oxford jab ......_we already knew that was possible with both vaccines_

If it means we can still catch CV but it won’t become the killer we are frightened of but cause more minor flu symptoms ....._We already knew that I thought_
So is this new information? or just a rehashed piece of information we already knew and if so it is just a damaging and scare mongering especially if the red tops pick up and run with it

Peasblossom

OK that’s a bit clearer. Any ongoing studies on older age groups?

My understanding is that these results are from Phase1/11 trials. Early stage trials are almost always done on younger healthier subjects. The next stage is Phase 111 and at this stage older groups are usually included along with people with underlying conditions

The median age was 31 not the average. The upper age was 40 which is the really relevant fact

OK that’s a bit clearer. Any ongoing studies on older age groups?

The study was small 2,000 people average age 31.

The numbers are falling in South Africa, and everything is open?

Experts that have been rolled out on numerous news programmes today seem to want more information before committing to an opinion.

Far too many questions and variants not enough definitive answers.

DeeDe

I’ve had the Oxford vaccine along with four members of my family, & their NHS workers, had mine because of my age
I’m now concerned about the NHS workers that are not covered as fully as need be, will they get priority in getting new vaccines ? or am I worrying about nothing?
Stay safe

As long as we don’t get the SA variant - that’s what trying to trace cases here is so important as is keeping more cases out. What everyone has to do is keep acting as though they haven’t been vaccinated. No vaccine gives 100% protection anyway even against the original strain

Peasblossom

What does ‘minimal effect against mild and moderate cases” actually mean?

It has minimal effect on preventing the number of cases of mild and moderate?

It didn’t alter the progress of mild and moderate cases?

After vaccination there were the same number of cases but these were mild to moderate?

The study only looked at mild and moderate?

I don’t think that bit is very clear.

Minimal in this study meant only 22%. All outcomes were recorded - mild, moderate, severe, hospitalisations, deaths. Of the subjects infected and vaccinated, only 22% showed no mild or moderate outcomes ie 78% had mild/moderate outcomes. No one had more serious outcomes but and this is a big but the subjects were young ànd healthy and unlikely therefore to be seriously ill or die. What we have here is an absence of evidence not evidence of absence. The fact that AZ are working on a booster jab for the SA variant is relevant.

I’ve had the Oxford vaccine along with four members of my family, & their NHS workers, had mine because of my age
I’m now concerned about the NHS workers that are not covered as fully as need be, will they get priority in getting new vaccines ? or am I worrying about nothing?
Stay safe

PippaZ

I was just thinking the same thing SuzieW. I do hope you got my apologies, flowers and more apologies, for mistaking you for someone else before the other thread was rightly closed.

Thanks for that - the thread had got really muddled and I should have avoided ambiguous use of ‘they’ ??

What does ‘minimal effect against mild and moderate cases” actually mean?

It has minimal effect on preventing the number of cases of mild and moderate?

It didn’t alter the progress of mild and moderate cases?

After vaccination there were the same number of cases but these were mild to moderate?

The study only looked at mild and moderate?

I don’t think that bit is very clear.

I was just thinking the same thing SuzieW. I do hope you got my apologies, flowers and more apologies, for mistaking you for someone else before the other thread was rightly closed.

What I find extraordinary about South Africa is that according to WHO figures, the number of Covid cases and deaths is dropping - how is that happening without a vaccination programme even getting off the ground?

I understand that they are relaxing lockdown restrictions to a certain extent. Could it be that it's summer there and that's making a difference?

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