Astra Zeneca Vaccine

Might that be because women in France tend to smoke? I’m asking that out of complete ignorance and don’t wish to offend any French women. It’s just something that popped into my head.

Are these particular blood clots which purportedly happen because of the AZ vaccine usually reported to the authorities? I am a little skeptical at their rarity if they aren't. Illnesses which were considered rare historically turn out not to be rare at all but are undiagnosed or the data hasn't been pulled together.
If you look at the MMR vaccine and those that were convinced it caused autism which now seems unsubstantiated, it could be that this is a coincidence. We now know with Autism that children often appear to be perfectly NT initially but then regress and the timing of the MMR just happened to coincide with that.
I reserve judgement about the causes of the blood clots but I certainly don't think it is helpful for people to avoid the AZ vaccine. They should just be vigilant, the same with any medication.

Think theres a BBC announcement today at 3pm with Van Tam re the AZ vaccine.

I was asked if I took blood thinners, but never asked why when I answered yes.

Yes any minute now...

icanhandthemback The not so rare risk ofITP (blood clots) occurs in infants within 6 weeks of the MMR vaccination is what my DD was told.
I have no idea about autism

Apart from the A/Fib I was never told about what was causing it. A blood-clotting problem. I hope this conference gives an explanation on the symptoms.

Not on BBC one
On BBC news Channel 231

"The condition has been reported in about 1 to 3 children out of every 100,000 after receiving the MMR vaccine, a rate that is significantly lower than reported after natural infection with these viruses, according to one review."

www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91813#:~:text=Clots%20After%20Other%20Vaccines&text=The%20condition%20has%20been%20reported,viruses%2C%20according%20to%20one%20review.

I would say that's rare.

Ok if those figures imply rare growstuff that's fine. Maybe sitting in the ITP waiting room at The Royal London with other unfortunate vaccinated infants for follow up was what made the consultant say not so rare. Maybe he was just trying to placate worried mothers they are not alone and not at fault. Whatever.

All I'm saying is that if anyone on here has concerns over even the slightest risk in their case, then medical advice should be sought and they should think carefully. Suggestions like "get a grip" and being insane are not helpful. I have every sympathy with anyone feeling apprehensive.

Anyway it will no doubt be ages before young children get anywhere near being vaccinated.
Maybe a topic to be raised nearer that time. But it doesn't stop anyone who has reacted to any vaccine being scared.

Mustn’t be distracted by his hair, mustn’t be distracted by his hair - oh damn it, I am

Good presser from the U.K. better than the EMA I thought for explanation, but of course the EMA are not a country so couldn’t speak for all countries in the EU.

Interesting quote about the Moderna vaccine.
"The vaccine is coming from the company’s European supply chain, including Switzerland, Spain and France. The vaccine is also made in the U.S., but vaccine exports are currently not allowed."
We have had it in France since January and it is in vaccine centres with Pfizer. AZ has mostly been from GPs and pharmacies.

Whitewavemark2

Good presser from the U.K. better than the EMA I thought for explanation, but of course the EMA are not a country so couldn’t speak for all countries in the EU.

Their hair was better?

Well actually I thought one of them was balding at the side so that was quite a distraction?

So the GP with the white hair said don't have the second jab if you had adverse effects concerning blood clots. Fine by me.

I was delighted to be offered my second dose of the vaccine, had it happily nearly two weeks ago. As did one of my daughters who was still having to shield (unhappily) due to the spleenectomy she had thirty years ago due to to her spleen killing off all her white platlets.
I used to have a friend who would read those long list of associated problems with any medication, whether prescribed or over-the-counter - and then imagine she was having most of those symptons.
Everything we take has some danger, even the food we consume.
Just so delighted I have now had both doses and will be more than happy to have a booster come the autumn.

I'm not sure about having a booster - having had a flu vaccine, pneumonia vaccine, two Covid vaccines, a booster and then probably a different flu vaccine in the autumn it feels like overload.

What do others think?

Mamie

Interesting quote about the Moderna vaccine.
"The vaccine is coming from the company’s European supply chain, including Switzerland, Spain and France. The vaccine is also made in the U.S., but vaccine exports are currently not allowed."
We have had it in France since January and it is in vaccine centres with Pfizer. AZ has mostly been from GPs and pharmacies.

Surely that’s because the AZ vaccine doesn’t have to be kept at sub zero temperatures so it’s easier for surgeries and pharmacies to deal with.

Mamie the Moderna vaccine is now being rolled out in Wales.

callistemon we used to get loads of vaccines in order to go and live in developing countries. Never had a reaction to any of them apart from an occasional sore arm. From memory, we had to get vaccines for typhoid, hepatitis A&B, Japanese encephalitis, Meningitis, Yellow Fever, TB (for dd2), rabies and we took malaria tablets, too!

A lot of malaria tablets had awful side effects if I remember right. Put me off going to a country where I might need to take them. From memory larium (?) springs to mind. And yet plenty of people were happy to take them.

...and a friend of mine almost died from taking ibuprofen....

Yes Callistemon I saw that it was being rolled out in Wales and Scotland. I just hadn't realised before that it was coming there from the EU because the US isn't exporting it.