Covid 19 - Lift all restrictions?

No, I'm not "cross". Putting the facts over is not "cross". Telling someone they sound "cross" is a silly way of trying to diminish their opinion.

If, 2 years ago, someone had told us that the government was going to prevent us from hugging an elderly relative, that we weren't allowed to leave our homes, that we had to wear a mask in public, we'd have thought it was the start of a coup.

Taking these measures is necessary, but as soon as we start to think its not a big deal, we are giving up freedoms that we used to take for granted.

Telling someone that they are cross when they are pointing out the the government has limited our freedoms is a bit ridiculous, really.

Not offended (goodness, is there no other adjective available other than "offended?"), not seeking clarity right now, and I certainly give a damn about others.

Obviously my disclaimer wasn't clear enough. We have to do it. But we don't have to like it and we don't have to think its normal.

I am sure you are right PippaZ I would not dream of interpreting a legal document I have solicitors for that.
This is a grans chat webpage I only do my best not to be rude patronising and talk down to fellow posters
I am pretty good with number crunching but that’s as far as it goes

Those that want to make their own decisions, interpretations, etc. will continue just as they always have. Most people I talk to, say things like, “I can see masks being part of life,” or “Keeping a distance makes sense.”
Criticising people and irritating them by telling them they are wrong and you are right, may make you feel knowledgeable and superior, but is more likely to produce the opposite effect from what you hope to achieve.

As I said above, what I have quoted is what the government say not my own opinion. My opinion is that Brexit is a disaster and the Covid vaccine is just disguising just how bad things are as yet. 60% protection from the major vaccine we have used in this country, against the new mutant, does not fill me with the euphoria others seem to feel. I think we are in one hell of a mess - and even the EU has been telling us what they think of this country in Eurovision, to them we are a pariah so we have none of the soft power we were told we would have outside the EU. I don't have any respect for Cummings but he is about to tell us what many of us guessed - Johnson was prepared to let us die.

By comparison to this pit of despair, trying our best to take staying safe into our own hands does seem to me too much to do even if others find it such a great ask.

Telling someone they sound "cross" is a silly way of trying to diminish their opinion.

And that is a very unkind way of treating me telling you, not how you were posting but how it felt to me. Who was out to diminish whom I wonder.

does seem to me
doesn't seem to me

Mollygo

Those that want to make their own decisions, interpretations, etc. will continue just as they always have. Most people I talk to, say things like, “I can see masks being part of life,” or “Keeping a distance makes sense.”
Criticising people and irritating them by telling them they are wrong and you are right, may make you feel knowledgeable and superior, but is more likely to produce the opposite effect from what you hope to achieve.

Well said Mollygo.

Why 60% is good. For those prepared to read it.

twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1396015144233222144

Eurovision, Brexit & Dominic Cummings all inserted in one post?

The 60% immunity was explained clearly by Jenny Harries on Andrew Marr yesterday.

I and most people I know and/or come in contact with are (once vaccinated) not prepared to be instructed by this or any other Government who and how many people they can have on their own properties.

We were told vaccination was the gateway to our pre-Covid lives, and in my opinion that’s exactly why the take-up is high.

I agree with Alegrias1

GrannyGravy13

58,000 people took part in the test events in UK of them 15 have since tested positive.

That's interesting. Just less than 1 in 4000 doesn't sound that many (although I hope the positive cases recover quickly and fully). The results need careful tracking to see if they increase or reduce over time. I must admit it does seem as though people are being used as guinea pigs, but I don't really see how else it could be done. I guess people are aware of the risks they're taking.

Good link Alegrias1 thank you it’s good to see it in print, Jenny Harries explanation was basically the same.

I haven’t trusted JennyHarries ever since she accused NHS workers of misusing PPE equipment when said workers were dying from covid. And, with the new variants being more transmissible it will take longer for herd immunity to be achieved. With all the talk of the government aiming for herd immunity last year I’ve remembered Johnson’s father describing him as ‘taking one for the team’ when he caught covid. I also seem to remember people that were against lockdown using Sweden as an example of why we shouldn’t lock down at all.

growstuff from what I have read, they all had to take PCR test before the events, there were scientists on hand observing people’s behaviour/interactions.

Follow ups continued /are continuing for some time afterwards.

Were the people already infected before the events or were they infected during them?

I think I will stick to Jenny Harries, Johnathan Van Tam and others who are experts in their fields.

Our NHS is good but not all NHS workers are saints they are just as fail-able as the rest of us mortals.

growstuff

Were the people already infected before the events or were they infected during them?

From what I can find all tests had to be negative in order to attend the events.

GrannyGravy13

I think I will stick to Jenny Harries, Johnathan Van Tam and others who are experts in their fields.

Our NHS is good but not all NHS workers are saints they are just as fail-able as the rest of us mortals.

Does this include the poor doctor who died soon after publicly saying the he wasn’t being provided with adequate PPE.

rosie1959

I am sure you are right PippaZ I would not dream of interpreting a legal document I have solicitors for that.
This is a grans chat webpage I only do my best not to be rude patronising and talk down to fellow posters
I am pretty good with number crunching but that’s as far as it goes

Just because it is a "grans webpage" really doesn't mean we can turn the provable truth about what the government is saying on it's head and call it a new truth. Calling me names because you don't like being shown to be misinterpreting something produced by the government - our lawmakers - only shows that you didn't like being caught out. That does not make me either rude or patronising - especially as you continued to want your interpretation rather than the document seen as what they were actually saying.

Disagree with them by all means - I do all the time - but what was they were saying was obvious for all to see.

Frontline workers in many professions have died leaving behind broken hearted families and loved ones.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

Were the people already infected before the events or were they infected during them?

From what I can find all tests had to be negative in order to attend the events.

I've been reading about the events (thank you for directing me to them). It seems that the number testing positive before the events was about the same as the general population, which is to be expected.

The significant results will come over the next few days, but if everybody attending was negative, it would be expected that there are few new cases.

Presumably that means that for the immediate future, such events can go ahead but everybody will need to be tested beforehand.

MayBee70 I have friends and relatives who work in the NHS, as I said they are only human and humans can make errors whatever their profession.

I know this has been mentioned once on this thread, about lateral flow tests. My grandchildren in college test twice a week, and their working parents also test twice a week. I am not in their bubble, so see them social distance. But I'm wondering if I should test, I do not work, only go out shopping and walking but have various appointments coming up for bloodtest and dentist, would you have a lateral flow test before them? What are peoples experiences with lateral flow tests?

PippaZ I have always said just my opinion nothing to do with being caught out how silly
If people don’t agree with my thoughts then fine certainly not worth getting upset about.
But quite frankly you lost any credibility with me when you said the Covid vaccine is just disgusting

Conan, LFtests are notoriously inaccurate. Probably as much to do with the way they are done. A lot of teenagers, and even older people really hate having to push those sticks up their noses so far and down their mouths to their tonsils.

At my daughter's school, where these are carried out by themselves twice a week, three came back positive last week. Seemed strange as numbers are extremely low where they live. Those youngsters had to stay at home, until a proper test showed that ALL three had been false positives.

rosie - you obviously just skim read Pippa's post. Nowhere did she say that the vaccine is 'disgusting', she said that she thought that the vaccine was DISGUISING how bad things really were.