Covid 19 - Lift all restrictions?

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

Then perhaps people need to learn how to use them correctly. It isn’t rocket science. People in eastern countries don’t seem to find it a problem.

My company sells PPE and has done for over 35 years, people in work situations (NHS, building sites etc.) are taught how to wear them and the correct size, sort needed.

Face coverings that people have made themselves or bought off of the internet are just that coverings with limited effectiveness.

Exactly! People in many work situations have to wear and use protective clothing or equipment. I don't see wearing a mask as something that annoying, apart from people with medical conditions.

I won't feel comfortable "going back to normal" unless those around me behave like the responsible citizens they claim they are.

Those that are anxious and have the chance to work from home or are retired can do so. Many people do not have that luxury, they want their lives back as soon as it’s feasible.

No fortunately grow stuff not all people are like my daughter she has been tripe 1 diabetic since she was 8 so I am not really quite sure what you are inferring

MerylStreep

growstuff
I believe that we are now in a situation where the tail is wagging the dog.
We have to live with this, and thanks to our wonderful scientists the vast majority of us will.

So now it's the vast majority? This gets worse!!!

FWIW I'm not advocating further lockdowns or restrictions BUT individuals need to act responsibly (unfortunately it appears some won't).

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

Then perhaps people need to learn how to use them correctly. It isn’t rocket science. People in eastern countries don’t seem to find it a problem.

My company sells PPE and has done for over 35 years, people in work situations (NHS, building sites etc.) are taught how to wear them and the correct size, sort needed.

Face coverings that people have made themselves or bought off of the internet are just that coverings with limited effectiveness.

Exactly! People in many work situations have to wear and use protective clothing or equipment. I don't see wearing a mask as something that annoying, apart from people with medical conditions.

I won't feel comfortable "going back to normal" unless those around me behave like the responsible citizens they claim they are.

Those that are anxious and have the chance to work from home or are retired can do so. Many people do not have that luxury, they want their lives back as soon as it’s feasible.

Fair enough! I can't say I'm surprised, BUT it does depend on people acting responsibly and unselfishly.

rosie1959

No fortunately grow stuff not all people are like my daughter she has been tripe 1 diabetic since she was 8 so I am not really quite sure what you are inferring

I'm sympathise with your daughter for having diabetes, but why is it relevant? I do not have experience of young people being more selfish than others.

GrannyGravy13

It is being reported (Politics Today) that the death rate in England is now the lowest since records began!

I wouldn't mind betting that's partly because the number of people dying from infectious diseases has fallen as a result of mask wearing and social distancing.

growstuff

rosie1959

Maybee I hate to say it but the young are no where so concerned about this.
I was concerned that my daughter has had both because she is a type 1 diabetic but the young and fit are really at a low chance of serious illness and are still quite happy to go out and about with or without the vaccine

Not all young people are like your daughter. My children certainly aren't.

Growstuff I mentioned my daughter because as above you said not all people are like your daughter
Your children are not like her because I presume they are not diabetic
Just could not understand what you meant by “ not all young people are like your daughter”

I don't like masks but am ok with wearing them inside at the very least. People are already "demob happy" it seems (from my trip to the post office).

Why does it have to be all-or-nothing? Lots of people have vulnerabilities and some (people on imunosuppressants for example) should not be 2nd class because others can't be bothered.

The vaccine roll out isn't even. One of my sons-in-law who is over 50 only just had his 1st vaccine. None of my daughters have had any offers yet - one is over 40. My husband is still waiting for a second dose (60+). The roll-out is patchy.

Not sure where you are Notspagetti but in England anyone over 34 can now book their vacinne

I am in England.
My family in England are the ones I'm talking about.

We aren't all in the same area though rosie.

NHS covers the whole of England so anyone over 34vin any area can just go online and book an appointment

rosie1959

Not sure where you are Notspagetti but in England anyone over 34 can now book their vacinne

Yes they can, also anyone can put their name down on a stand-by list at vaccination centres/hubs for left over vaccines when people have not shown up for their appointments as long as they are able to get there reasonably quick.

Better in the arm than in the bin!

The rollout of the vaccine is being handled at local level, so it’s very patchy throughout the UK. My daughter is 31, my son is 24 and both of them went onto the reserve lists run by the Health Board locally as early as they could, and have had their first vaccines already. As younger age groups are having either Pfizer or Moderna they have to fill their clinics at the vaccination centres, and if you can attend at short notice you have more chance of getting it. I’m in Wales. Over 50s have been eligible throughout the UK for some weeks though, so not sure why your SIL was missed NotSpaghetti.

I won’t be taking any risks until 10 days after my second vaccine, but I’m anxious for my children and other family members until they are all fully vaccinated too - a number of the admissions to hospital in Bolton are in the younger age groups and people who have received the first vaccine only, so we aren’t out of the woods yet. I’m just as keen as everybody else to get back to normal, but would rather the government are sensible and act on the scientific and medical professional advice until everybody who wants it is vaccinated.

I haven't asked all of them about the "why" but son in law was so fed up that he couldn't book a slot he actually spoke to his surgery who said to queue for a "vaccine bus". It was going to be at a spot for 4 hours so he took the morning off work and queued and it ran out before his turn!
He did get a slot eventually for the 1st vaccination but only just now.

My 40+ daughter was told to "wait for a text" but tried online anyway. No, she couldn't book. Don't know what's going on with the others. Just know how long it's taken for some others.
One son-in-law (40 +) was able to book ages ago do makes no sense.

rosie1959

growstuff

rosie1959

Maybee I hate to say it but the young are no where so concerned about this.
I was concerned that my daughter has had both because she is a type 1 diabetic but the young and fit are really at a low chance of serious illness and are still quite happy to go out and about with or without the vaccine

Not all young people are like your daughter. My children certainly aren't.

Growstuff I mentioned my daughter because as above you said not all people are like your daughter
Your children are not like her because I presume they are not diabetic
Just could not understand what you meant by “ not all young people are like your daughter”

I apologise for my misunderstanding about your daughter. However, I don't apologise for disputing your claims about other young people.

rosie1959

Not sure where you are Notspagetti but in England anyone over 34 can now book their vacinne

The group with most infections per head is currently under 34.

GrannyGravy13

rosie1959

Not sure where you are Notspagetti but in England anyone over 34 can now book their vacinne

Yes they can, also anyone can put their name down on a stand-by list at vaccination centres/hubs for left over vaccines when people have not shown up for their appointments as long as they are able to get there reasonably quick.

Better in the arm than in the bin!

So how does that help parents of young children or those in work, who can't take the time to hang around a vaccine centre on the off chance every day?

MerylStreep

Let’s let the anxious, vulnerable stay at home and give support while the vast majority get on with our lives.

Happy holiday Urmstongran ?

Anxious? I see them as sensible and quite "normal". Unfortunately, the selfish ones will put people's health at risk.

No growstuff that wouldn’t help parents of young children
If you are eligible you go online and book an appointment to suit you

Urmstongran

BREAKING NEWS:

Grant Shapps has just said many of the countries currently on the amber list might be on the green list in 2 weeks!

Spain (hopefully) here we come!

☀️?

No, he didn't! Where on earth did you get that information?

growstuff they do not have to hang around a vaccination centre all day.

The staff know how many people are no shows by mid afternoon (i.e. those who have missed their appointments) so they begin ringing then! At the end of the day they contact those closest to the vaccination hub.

Did anyone see the news report of the man who booked a holiday to Spain only to find that the Spanish authorities weren’t allowing holidaymakers in?

I'm puzzled by the people who are saying in one breath that we should get back to normal, and in the next say that C19 is going to still be around. That is not normal. It's a life threatening or, at least can be life changing, disease so we will never be 'normal' again, as in pre covid 'normal'. Masks could well be part of the 'new' normal. I must say that I'm not enamoured of them, but it's interesting that mask wearing has seemed to prevent people catching more than just covid.

I also think that proper ventilation should be part of the new normal, too. Retro fitting decent ventilation in schools, colleges, shops, etc. could be a good contribution to getting the economy moving and providing new jobs for people who have lost their livelihoods during the pandemic.

I agree Maisie it’s still going to be around along with flu and pneumonia
But I honestly think despite my opinion or any others that mask wearing will not be acceptable in the long term
I also think we have not caught so much because I don’t know about you but I have not been out much
I will gladly dump my mask in the bin