Zero deaths!

You are disagreeing with yourself Alegrias1 for the sake of someone to disagree with it seems. This seems to be a theme in your posts.

You came to a conclusion you decided was mine; I did not say that.

Eh?

EllanVannin

12 deaths----up-dated 2nd June @ 19.43

Yes, there is often a delay in reporting over weekends, particularly a BH weekend.
It's certainly not over but let's hope there is a glimmer of light and hope now.

Alegrias1

We can, and should, celebrate the successes without putting a dampener on every piece of good news.

Thanks Ellianne.

As I understood it, the important thing is to seize this news as a positive prediction for future weeks leading us back to normality. As human beings we sometimes need to look to each other for strength and positivity. I get what Alegrias is saying.

Yes Callistemon, hope is exactly right.

Whitewavemark2

I wonder how old they were and which variant?

That is the big risk now I think. Children seem to be catching it and suffering in some cases long term effects. We can’t ignore this because most are not badly affected. The sooner they get vaccinated the better.

How low would you age wise with children Whitewavemark2?

I think no lower than 12.

Ellianne

Whitewavemark2

I wonder how old they were and which variant?

That is the big risk now I think. Children seem to be catching it and suffering in some cases long term effects. We can’t ignore this because most are not badly affected. The sooner they get vaccinated the better.

How low would you age wise with children Whitewavemark2?

I think no lower than 12.

Why 12?

Ellianne

Alegrias1

We can, and should, celebrate the successes without putting a dampener on every piece of good news.

Thanks Ellianne.

As I understood it, the important thing is to seize this news as a positive prediction for future weeks leading us back to normality. As human beings we sometimes need to look to each other for strength and positivity. I get what Alegrias is saying.

I don't, but then I'm not a fan of bread and circuses. I like facts.

85.1% of all adults in Wales have now had the first dose, and we’ve had no deaths for 6 days, but the message we’re getting from the government here is that it’s possible we won’t be moving down the restrictions from next week as planned because there’s been an outbreak in seaside towns in North Wales of the Indian variant. Our government is more cautious than England, and are on the case to minimise the impact, but there are so many tourists it’s going to be very difficult.

Age 12 because that would mean that all those in secondary schools were vaccinated.

Callistemon

EllanVannin

12 deaths----up-dated 2nd June @ 19.43

Yes, there is often a delay in reporting over weekends, particularly a BH weekend.
It's certainly not over but let's hope there is a glimmer of light and hope now.

There always was a glimmer of light and hope. The glimmer would have been brighter if the situation had been managed better and people hadn't been given false promises.

I'm fed up with being infantilised and having facts withheld because it's considered I couldn't deal with them. Face the facts and deal with them.

growstuff

Ellianne

Alegrias1

We can, and should, celebrate the successes without putting a dampener on every piece of good news.

Thanks Ellianne.

As I understood it, the important thing is to seize this news as a positive prediction for future weeks leading us back to normality. As human beings we sometimes need to look to each other for strength and positivity. I get what Alegrias is saying.

I don't, but then I'm not a fan of bread and circuses. I like facts.

This is very surprising to me. I think people who know my posts will know I don't go for bread and circuses. I go for facts too. But surely it's perfectly valid to be pleased that things are moving in the right direction? It's not being in denial, it's seeing a positive message after all the sh** we've all had to put up with.

What is really so bad in saying things are getting better? That deaths are right down on previous levels? I'm not advocating a free for all, I'm saying we should be hopeful. Should we all just be quiet and not say anything positive until we reach some as-yet undefined target?

Thanks again Ellianne, you get what I'm saying, I think.

growstuff

I'm fed up with being infantilised and having facts withheld because it's considered I couldn't deal with them. Face the facts and deal with them.

The facts are that things are improving. Maybe it will all go to sh** again. Me, I'll look to better times. You can do what you like.

Nepal has confirmed the presence of third B.1.617.2 variant of coronavirus, but we shouldn't be overconcern apparently. That could be true but then it is also true that many variants are occuring all over our world and we still need to be very, very careful.

There is talk of countries being cut from the "Green" list. I do hope this is true.

Alegrias1

growstuff

I'm fed up with being infantilised and having facts withheld because it's considered I couldn't deal with them. Face the facts and deal with them.

The facts are that things are improving. Maybe it will all go to sh** again. Me, I'll look to better times. You can do what you like.

Yes, I will do what I like, thank you. I don't take any notice of people who have to ignore facts to be optimistic. For your information, I've never been pessimistic about Covid after getting over the shock of losing most of my income overnight.

Actually, Alegrias, I'm quite surprised how you do ignore facts, considering you're a scientist.

Line crossed growstuff.

See ya.

Ellianne

Age 12 because that would mean that all those in secondary schools were vaccinated.

No it wouldn't. Children enter secondary school aged 11 and some aren't 12 until nearly 12months later. What do you do with the 11 year olds?

Doesn't it depend on the results of trials and whether vaccines are safe for children?

Alegrias1

Line crossed growstuff.

See ya.

Sorry you feel like that, but the scientists I know deal with facts. They then use those facts to inform and don't hide them because they don't suit an agenda.

Zero reported deaths does not mean that the pandemic is over and is not some kind of milestone, unless the trend continues. Cases are rising - in some areas they've doubled in a few days, which is a reason for concern and, hopefully, for action.

I'm in a seaside town in the south west, our numbers have nearly trebled in the last week.

It is difficult, I don't resent people wanting a holiday but it is so crowded now I can't see how the virus won't spread. We had the same after half term last October, our numbers shot up from very low to above the national average.

Of course businesses need to trade, people need holidays so I guess we just have to get on with it.

For me I think trust is a big issue. I just don't trust our govt. Why wasn't India on the red list when Pakistan and Bangladesh were? Was that a good decision or our govt playing about to suit their own agenda - trade deals? I work in the care industry, we are told this govt put a protective shield round us and the people we care for - not my experience. Education is a priority, really £50 a child a priority, some people probably got more than that last summer on eat out to help out.

So I suppose that makes me a bit wary or cynical about good news but yes I want good news but I want good news, or bad news, that I can trust.

Alegrias1

Eh?

Listening to Rory Stewart talking clarifying and debating ideas in the right way he says that to form partnerships around ideas of what is noble, beautiful, fine or good, which he sees as fundamental to our humanity he suggests that, among other things, we must listen and be generous to views that may not be fully articulated. I think the above quote comes into this so I will explain.

You Alegrias1, put words in my mouth and then argued with them. I find this a less than honest attempt to put an argument forward.

I hope that clarifies.

I not entering into any specific arguments here because I have already said my piece.

What I do find strange on GN is the knee jerk reactions of posters who scurry off to find reports, articles and facts to substantiate their claims. Isn't that type of reaction just as instinctive, and almost as much without thought, as someone coming on with a heartfelt opinion? Especially on a non political, non factual thread?
Just saying, as I don't think anyone on here was saying zero deaths meant the pandemic was over.