Andrew Marr - slight summer cold, turned out to be Covid

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Olive53

It’s the people who have had both vaccines that are dying. The ones who haven’t had them are fine, but this was the plan all along!!!!!

That's not true though, is it?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57610998

Don't forget Andrew Marr had a stroke a few years ago, while he may look fully recovered I bet he takes a load of medication, which can lower your resistance to illness and leave you more vulnerable.

62Granny

Don't forget Andrew Marr had a stroke a few years ago, while he may look fully recovered I bet he takes a load of medication, which can lower your resistance to illness and leave you more vulnerable.

And he’s had cancer, too.

Wow. He is unlucky.

Andrew Marr said he felt invincible after his 2 vaccine doses. He caught Covid at the G7.

If you feel invincible you won't take any precautions at all and are more likely to mix with more people.

Olive53

It’s the people who have had both vaccines that are dying. The ones who haven’t had them are fine, but this was the plan all along!!!!!

Oh Olive - how wrong can you be?
Fact is - it isn’t
This sort of anti-vaxx conspiracy theorising is clearly total tosh - I sincerely hope you don’t believe it yourself and think you might be wise to stop spreading fake news.

Wonderful that people are being so honest. It does indicate we must be aware and think carefully.

Olive53

It’s the people who have had both vaccines that are dying. The ones who haven’t had them are fine, but this was the plan all along!!!!!

Where on earth did you read that? It's totally and utterly untrue.

Its doing the rounds growstuff. Where does any of this stuff come from?

coastalgran

There are different strains of the variants for Covid just like the flu ones and that is why certainly in Scotland there will be another vaccination come September for certain age groups and vulnerable people. I think we will need to get used to this for a while to come until it dilutes itself enough that we don't get seriously ill. Maybe vaccination has made some people a bit more complacent with hand washing, social distancing etc and illness is the result.

Viruses don't dilute themselves, but they eventually run out of hosts.

I think it is true that vaccinations have given people a false sense of security and they regard themselves as bullet-proof. Vaccinations have thankfully broken the link between infections and hospitalisations and deaths. However, it has never been the case that there was any promise they would stop people being infected. What they have done is make illness less severe for the majority of people.

It would be sensible for people to continue with keeping their distance and wearing a mask. Hopefully, there won't be any need for further lockdowns, but that will depend on the majority of people being sensible.

It's been estimated that approximately 85% of the population needs to have acquired immunity one way or the other, but we're still some way from that figure. It is also not known yet how long immunity lasts.

Alegrias1

Its doing the rounds growstuff. Where does any of this stuff come from?

I haven't a clue.

Most of us now have had a least 1 vaccine and, as many people have commented above does not prevent us from catching covid. What is worrying is that the numbers of people who have long covid is growing. This severely affects peoples' health and can last for several months and maybe longer but at the moment it's too early to tell.

My daughter's friend was called in to work this week because they didn't have enough A&E doctors. She said A&E was full of young people with respiratory problems which were all turning out to be Covid. All young and not vaccinated.

Alegrias1

Its doing the rounds growstuff. Where does any of this stuff come from?

It’s frighting to think these people move amongst us! ? ?

Olive53

It’s the people who have had both vaccines that are dying. The ones who haven’t had them are fine, but this was the plan all along!!!!!

WHAT! I can’t believe I’ve just read this.

These huge sporting fixtures are very worrying. Thousands of people with no masks and no social distancing means the virus will spread like wildfire. Look at the Scottish fans who contracted it. I'm fully expecting the numbers to go up very soon. I shall continue to take care of myself and hope my younger family can protect themselves whilst going about some sort of normal life.

Olive53

It’s the people who have had both vaccines that are dying. The ones who haven’t had them are fine, but this was the plan all along!!!!!

FFS

Olive53, so can you tell us exactly whose Cunning Plan it was?

Oh dear Olive you've gone a long way down the rabbit hole

I also think that vaccines should be compared to birth control - nothing is 100% effective. Even those that get pregnant - some have an easy pregnancy and birth and others don't.

So, Olive's rabbit hole.

It comes from the fact that 50% of the 117 people who have died with the Delta variant were double vaccinated. So, surely it can't be working, can it?

Except if there was no vaccination, probably about 2,000 people would have died in the same period and so the vaccination has probably saved about 1,900 lives.

If ever there was a reason for making sure everyone does maths and science at school. We pedants would never have got that wrong.

What we’re not told about the people who died is how old they were, and whether they had other comorbidities. These things matter. The very old make fewer antibodies and they last less time, well that’s what I’ve read anyway. I know younger people are going into hospital, or those vaccinated only once, but it seems most of the younger ones require less vigorous treatment and are going home sooner.

??? Alegrias.

Something to bear in mind - we may have high numbers of cases at the moment but that is because, including the free lateral flow tests, we are testing 3 times as many people per day as we were a few months ago. I will guarantee other countries have far more cases than their figures would make you believe. Hardly any countries are doing as much testing as we are currently - we were slow off the mark with testing capacity last year but rapidly caught up and exceeded most other countries.

The main purpose of covid vaccination is to prevent hospitalisations and deaths - this does seem to be the case as the figures for both are far lower than we would expect if we had not vaccinated so many people. Very few people are dying of covid now - fortunately. Even if "freedom day" says we can stop wearing masks I will still continue on buses and in shops - my husband is extremely clinically vulnerable and I will not risk catching it and passing it to him, even though we are both double vaccinated. We are occasionally going out for drinks and food - mostly outside but inside if its quiet - but are still avoiding anywhere that is crowded. Frankly, at this stage in the proceedings, we really all need to make our own risk assessments and act accordingly.