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The decision to end restrictions is dangerous and premature, unethical and illogical.

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-Jul-21 15:41:20

Scientists have published a letter in the Lancet, saying that they have 5 main concerns over the governments plans for unmitigated infection.
I have taken this from John Campbell’s site.

First - disproportionately affecting children and young people
There are 17 million people with no covid protection.
Exponential growth will continue until millions more people are infected
This will leave hundreds of thousands of people with long term illness and disability
Risks leaving a generation with ill health.

Second - transmission in schools will lead to educational disruption.
There should be strict mitigation in schools and eventual vaccination of children.
Important for clinically vulnerable children and socially vulnerable children.

Third - emergent of vaccine resistant mutations, with their potential spread.

Fourth - there will significant impact on exhausted clinicians.
There is no break yet between infection and hospital admission.
Rising case numbers will inevitably mean more hospital admissions.
Millions of people are waiting for procedures and many will die waiting.

Fifth
Deprived communities are very exposed.
The deprived and marginalised will be disproportionately affected.

Given that vaccine offers the same protection and herd immunity, the governments strategy is unethical and illogical.

The U.K. government must reconsider its current strategy and take urgent steps to protect people and children.
We believe that the U.K. government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment, and we call on it to pause its planned endings of all mitigation on 19 July.

poshpaws Wed 14-Jul-21 14:37:18

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GrannyGravy13 Wed 14-Jul-21 14:36:00

MayBee70

So I’m not allowed to mention that I have read some nasty online responses to what Waterstones have said. Should I pretend I haven’t read them?

You can post/mention what you like.

Having checked Waterstones pages, the positives far out way the small percentage of negatives.

A sense of proportion would be appropriate at this stage of the pandemic I would have thought?

rosie1959 Wed 14-Jul-21 14:28:58

To be fair there are far more positive comments than negative on Waterstones Facebook page. You are always going to get some that don’t agree that’s life. Doesn’t bother me I have a kindle click click send

MayBee70 Wed 14-Jul-21 14:26:05

So I’m not allowed to mention that I have read some nasty online responses to what Waterstones have said. Should I pretend I haven’t read them?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 14-Jul-21 14:22:48

MayBee70

Some nasty online responses after Waterstones have announced that they want people to continue to wear masks in their shops. This is going to be a nightmare for shops like them.Yet again Johnson has succeeded in dividing the country.

There have been far more positive responses to Waterstones request regarding masks than negative.

Three anti-mask tweets were highlighted in the Independent.

Please if we all stop posting the minority negative stories both on GN and elsewhere it may just help some folks anxiety?

rosie1959 Wed 14-Jul-21 14:21:04

Waterstones are free to make their own decisions if anyone doesn’t like it don’t go in there

MayBee70 Wed 14-Jul-21 14:12:22

Some nasty online responses after Waterstones have announced that they want people to continue to wear masks in their shops. This is going to be a nightmare for shops like them.Yet again Johnson has succeeded in dividing the country.

Barmeyoldbat Wed 14-Jul-21 13:59:02

Wish it was fake news that Johnson was PM

maddyone Wed 14-Jul-21 10:44:13

Last night the waitress……

maddyone Wed 14-Jul-21 10:43:34

If corona virus looked like a tick we would do everything possible to stop to stop it latching onto us.

Absolutely right, we would. But haven’t most of us done everything possible to stop ourselves catching Covid? We’ve been fully vaccinated, we’ve worn masks, we’ve sanitised, we’ve stayed at home, when we went out we avoided crowds. My DH and I certainly did all this and still we caught Covid, but we caught Covid before we were vaccinated. Now we still do much this, but feel more secure because of our vaccinations. For example, I visited my elderly mother in hospital after she fell, I wouldn’t have gone near a hospital unvaccinated. We are currently on holiday in Somerset, staying at a little holiday home on a farm far away from anyone, but we eat out each night at a restaurant or pub. Last the waitress put us within one metre of another table with diners, I asked for a more isolated table and was given one immediately. We have all got to get back to normal life, but we need to take any precautions we feel are necessary according to where we are at any given time.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 14-Jul-21 10:39:38

Alegrias1 is 100% correct on this.

Alegrias1 Wed 14-Jul-21 10:37:44

DiscoDancer1975

Alegrias1

YES I DO!!

READ THE THREAD!!

I have. My husband was looking on line. There were several reports. As you’re such an authority on everything, maybe you could give us all a list of what’s fake and what isn’t. It would save the journalists such a lot of time.

Its replacing a contract that has been in place for about 4 years.

Tell your husband Gillian McKeith, UK Column and some bloke off You Tube aren't reliable sources.

If you want to know what's fake and what's not, try being online with a bit of critical analysis of sources and motivations.

Sorry to be rude, but really, will people try to discriminate between fake news and reality?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 14-Jul-21 10:15:02

My last comment regarding the contract out for tender

This is Westminster City Council who has put this contract out not the U.K. Government.

All Councils have contingency plans in place for worse case scenarios my company has been involved in one such plan for a County

If these plans were not in the top drawer there would be many bemoaning the fact that nothing is being done. The plans that we were involved with were fortunately never needed.

DiscoDancer1975 Wed 14-Jul-21 10:11:08

Alegrias1

YES I DO!!

READ THE THREAD!!

I have. My husband was looking on line. There were several reports. As you’re such an authority on everything, maybe you could give us all a list of what’s fake and what isn’t. It would save the journalists such a lot of time.

Alegrias1 Wed 14-Jul-21 10:07:20

YES I DO!!

READ THE THREAD!!

Toadinthehole Wed 14-Jul-21 10:07:03

I’ve heard recently, of an unvaccinated nurse, or medic, I can’t remember, dying from covid. However is this fake news? Quite expected I would think.

DiscoDancer1975 Wed 14-Jul-21 10:03:35

Alegrias1

*GG13*, lets not make a habit of it. grin

I'm just going to shout this bit because there are still people who think its important, apparently.

*ITS FAKE NEWS!!!*

YOU DON’T KNOW THAT!

OnwardandUpward Tue 13-Jul-21 23:35:00

Invisible things seem to get overlooked a lot in life by people who cant see them. Like people with invisible illness often get unfair treatment.

True, if only the virus was visible- like nasty green snot or an intestinal worm. People would be absolutely repulsed and avoid it like the plague. I think a lot of children understand that viruses are invisible and have hygiene drummed into them at school- so the hosts available may be the ones in denial.

MayBee70 Tue 13-Jul-21 23:29:49

You mean like my tick (yuk). The fact is if I’d used every precaution possible I wouldn’t’ve had a tick on my leg. If I’d worn long trousers, tucked my trousers into my socks, put insect repellent on and checked my clothes for ticks when I got home I wouldn’t have found one on my leg feeding away. As it was I left a 5 inch area of exposed skin around my ankle for 10 minutes in an area where ticks lived,wearing no insect repellent and the tick, which, like a virus, can’t move very far, realised it was his lucky day. If corona virus looked like a tick we would do everything possible to stop it latching onto us.

PippaZ Tue 13-Jul-21 22:58:05

I think one of the problems is that the virus is invisible to everyone. What if it was, say, like an intestinal worm? One which we could see and know it was invading us as a host, to feed and breed, making us ill or even die in the process? We would be so disgusted we would do anything not to catch it or pass it on.

But this is just what the virus wants; it's looking for a host. Surely only children would say "If I can't see it, it isn't there and even if it is I won't catch it or pass it on."

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Jul-21 21:24:55

We should modify our behaviour to keep fellow citizens safe, not solely concentrate on ourselves. How comfortable we feel simply shouldn’t enter into it.

MayBee70 Tue 13-Jul-21 21:21:23

Feeling uncomfortable to me means only putting on a mask if you feel you are in danger yourself not putting on a mask because you want to protect others. Or that’s my interpretation of it. I wear a mask to protect myself and to stop other people feeling uncomfortable because how do I know if other people are feeling uncomfortable. I’d prefer to assume that they are.

Curlygirl Tue 13-Jul-21 21:15:08

How is feeling uncomfortable being selfish? Surely we all have the right to protect ourselves? OMG BJ has done a very good job in brainwashing the masses to believe in his own misguided decisions. I personally do not want to feel responsible for even one more death in this country by not being careful.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 13-Jul-21 21:14:00

OnwardandUpward

I wonder how much money that company donated to the Tories?

What Company do you mean please OnwardsandUpward?

Alegrias1 Tue 13-Jul-21 21:13:19

GG13, lets not make a habit of it. grin

I'm just going to shout this bit because there are still people who think its important, apparently.

ITS FAKE NEWS!!!