Chris Whitty - another lockdown

So it's probably higher now?

Sorry judging by your posts this is a bit late as the speech has now been reported on the BBC news. Can’t do links but appeared on a number of online newspapers last night, the BBC online news is often a bit behind the papers.

Alegrias1

Whatever the policy, suggesting the government are deliberately trying to infect people and that vaccine supplies are running out is speculation, unless you have sources. Do you have sources, or is it conjecture?

I am open to suggestion.

Completely opening up a society when a pandemic is underway with just over 50% of the population fully vaccinated, would suggest to me that herd immunity is the goal.

I am finding difficulty in describing it any other way.

Alegrias1

Whatever the policy, suggesting the government are deliberately trying to infect people and that vaccine supplies are running out is speculation, unless you have sources. Do you have sources, or is it conjecture?

Yes, I have a source for the shortage of vaccines.

Saying that the government is deliberately letting people get infected is tantamount to an accusation of genocide. Do you really believe that a government would lay itself open to such a charge?

r that other countries are all wonderfully foresighted and efficient and have falling Covid figures and rising economies? Or even that other countries are incapable of massaging statistics and spiining news releases?

Ellianne

^I don't know whether people are aware, but cases in English schools will no longer require contacts to self-isolate. This is a deliberate attempt to let children and their families be infected. It is also looking very likely that there will be no doses to vaccinate them.^
Most of the infections being seen now are in parents of school aged children. My DD is a teacher who fortunately has escaped the virus thus far. Now she is exhausted and run down, her first Pfizer jab was late coming due to shortages in her area, and then she will be expected to return to school at full throttle in September still waiting for her second jab.

Not true. Over 50% of cases are in 10-29 year olds.

Elegran

Saying that the government is deliberately letting people get infected is tantamount to an accusation of genocide. Do you really believe that a government would lay itself open to such a charge?

r that other countries are all wonderfully foresighted and efficient and have falling Covid figures and rising economies? Or even that other countries are incapable of massaging statistics and spiining news releases?

Yes.

Last year there were scaremongering comments, but we did end up going back into lockdown, as seemed glaringly obvious to the scaremongers.

Yes, I have a source for the shortage of vaccines.

But we're not getting to see it.

Incidentally, I don't know why Chris Whitty said in an online seminar that there are 2000 cases in hospital. There are nearly 4000.

Elegran

Saying that the government is deliberately letting people get infected is tantamount to an accusation of genocide. Do you really believe that a government would lay itself open to such a charge?

r that other countries are all wonderfully foresighted and efficient and have falling Covid figures and rising economies? Or even that other countries are incapable of massaging statistics and spiining news releases?

Yes, but you shouldn’t be surprised because many of the decisions this government has made over covid has resulted in higher unnecessary deaths.

Not true. Over 50% of cases are in 10-29 year olds.
Well ok but my daughter and several of her colleagues are in that age range with early years aged children.

Alegrias1 totally agree with your posts.

There was an item on BBC News reporting from a hospital in the North, they interviewed an exhausted Doctor.

What they failed to mention was that hospital had no Covid related deaths in over 60 days. There were approximately 20 Covid patients with under 10 on ventilators. This has been fact checked will post source ASAP

Ellianne

^Not true. Over 50% of cases are in 10-29 year olds.^
Well ok but my daughter and several of her colleagues are in that age range with early years aged children.

Er? Your daughter is under 29?

Towny@james_townsend9 he is an investigative journalist.

gg13 and the doctor was exhausted because?

My DD is just 28, growstuff

Whitewavemark2

gg13 and the doctor was exhausted because?

Read the link, it’s very interesting.

Has anyone any facts about long covid cases?
Perhaps I could look, but then I get told the source is unreliable, no matter who it comes from.

Whitewavemark2

Elegran

Saying that the government is deliberately letting people get infected is tantamount to an accusation of genocide. Do you really believe that a government would lay itself open to such a charge?

r that other countries are all wonderfully foresighted and efficient and have falling Covid figures and rising economies? Or even that other countries are incapable of massaging statistics and spiining news releases?

Yes, but you shouldn’t be surprised because many of the decisions this government has made over covid has resulted in higher unnecessary deaths.

The scenario after 19 July is precisely what the Great Barrington Declaration was advocating and it's known that the government considered it seriously. There will be unnecessary deaths and goodness knows how many cases of long Covid, which could seriously affect people for life.

There's no could about it, we are in the middle of a rapidly rising wave of infection. We know deaths are at a lower rate but we also know about the damaging long effects this disease can have, yet we are allowing cases to spiral. There's predictions of 10 million being called to isolate in coming weeks because of the infection rates, this is going to have a major effect on business. Many businesses don't know what action to take on Monday. Confusion and chaos are the order of the day.

I also think that if herd immunity is the goal then they should state that fact. It feels like this is the aim but by default, or smoke and mirrors. Mass infection now before the winter and all that brings?

MissAdventure

Has anyone any facts about long covid cases?
Perhaps I could look, but then I get told the source is unreliable, no matter who it comes from.

I wish people had/would take ME as seriously as Long Covid both are post viral illnesses.

The supply of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines is managed through a guaranteed delivery contract, so much per month. The supply is tight, I know because a decision to slow supply of second doses to Wales was made to enable more doses to go in the short term to high infection rate areas, and reported in the press. My daughter is having her second vaccine today, 11 weeks after the first rather than the now recommended 8.

It has been widely reported that supplies are tight, here’s one but there are plenty online.
www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-supply-pfizer-vaccine-tight-track-targets-minister-2021-06-11/
What I read into this is that there will be enough to meet the end of July target, but not enough to start routinely vaccinating 16-18s in the next few weeks.

So, should we be potentially risking a whole host of people with life changing disabilities?