Chris Whitty - another lockdown

An American scientist with the agreement from scientists from NZ, Italy, SA, Taiwan, U.K. and others said that the herd immunity policy being pursued by the U.K. government is unconscionable. It is barbaric.

It has been found that covid attacks children’s brains in particular and apparently shrinks them. The capacity for the brain to recover is poor.

What Johnson is doing is genocide - no question.

This is very informative about the potential risks, and also lays out the protection levels.
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/vaccine-modelling-rates-covid-coronavirus-21042865

JenniferEccles

Who said the vaccines aren’t good enough Wwmk2? It’s the first I’ve heard of it?
Oh yes, more scaremongering.

It’s been proved that the vaccines cut the link between infections and hospitalisation.

Every day several hundred thousand more people are being vaccinated, so there is no need to panic.

Yes we know the predominant Indian variant is more transmissible but I haven’t heard or read anything to say it’s a more dangerous variant.

Once the NHS App has been properly adjusted to stop it alerting all and sundry to self isolate, the situation will improve.

As far as I am aware, the facts about the virus are still much as they have always been in that, yes it can be nasty for a minority of people, but the vast majority of people who catch it make a full recovery.

This scaremongering is becoming the new project fear. It is a disgraceful way to proceed when so many people are in danger.
The vaccines are the best we have at present, but they will never be sufficient to provide herd immunity. Scientists from U.K., NZ, USA, India, Italy etc etc all agreed that this is the case.

I fervently trust that we don’t go down the same road as we did during Brexit when we refused to listen to the experts.

Please forgive me if this is a silly question but after reading all the posts I am very confused - and somewhat concerned.

Am I right that Sweden has not put many restrictions in place and yet appears to have survived the worst of the pandemic without being totally castigated by the rest of the world. I know they had more deaths than neighbouring countries and that their population is much lower than ours but even when cases started rising, did they resist pressure to change tactics?

I will look up some stats when I get back home, but in the meantime I just wondered what people here think.

I work as a supermarket cashier. From Monday it will no longer be mandatory for customers or staff to wear face coverings, but the perspex screens installed last year will stay in place until at least the end of this year. The "2 metres apart" stickers on the floor are to be removed and staff can no longer politely challenge customers who are too close for comfort.

I shall continue to wear my face mask for my whole shift, as I have done since we were given permission to wear them last summer. But I am dreading serving the customers who try to lean in past the screen, and I am worried for the staff out on the shop floor who will have no protection. Fair to say, though, that most of my generation are perfectly comfortable with face coverings. There seems to be a pattern that many of the under-25 females who choose to come to work with a full face of make up, have declared themselves exempt from masks. And they're the ones that huddle together to whisper whenever there are no managers in sight. Case numbers are rocketing here and most of the younger staff are not vaccinated, or have only had one jab, but they all want to socialise, to go out in town, to go on holiday...

Easy to say as I've no desire to do any of that, but I'd absolutely support the strengthening of protective measures. I certainly don't support their lifting yet.

Sweden has been criticised by the international community.

www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)32750-1/fulltext

It has also introduced more mitigation.

There was a worry ages ago that the new variants would start to affect younger people more and this seems to be happening. I remember listening to one of DrJohns blogs ages ago and getting a sinking feeling when I feared that a particular variant seemed to be affecting young people because throughout the pandemic the most important thing for me was knowing that my loved ones were safe. I’ll be relieved when my son has his second vaccine but am now beginning to feel concerned for my grandchildren. Increased infection rates = new variants. Let’s hope the Johnson variant doesn’t procreate in the same way that it’s namesake has.

Well I do know that Sweden closed its international borders.

It had a very large level of deaths per capita.

It is now been accepted that Sweden’s strategy of herd immunity was not the smartest and certainly not successful.

twiglet77

I work as a supermarket cashier. From Monday it will no longer be mandatory for customers or staff to wear face coverings, but the perspex screens installed last year will stay in place until at least the end of this year. The "2 metres apart" stickers on the floor are to be removed and staff can no longer politely challenge customers who are too close for comfort.

I shall continue to wear my face mask for my whole shift, as I have done since we were given permission to wear them last summer. But I am dreading serving the customers who try to lean in past the screen, and I am worried for the staff out on the shop floor who will have no protection. Fair to say, though, that most of my generation are perfectly comfortable with face coverings. There seems to be a pattern that many of the under-25 females who choose to come to work with a full face of make up, have declared themselves exempt from masks. And they're the ones that huddle together to whisper whenever there are no managers in sight. Case numbers are rocketing here and most of the younger staff are not vaccinated, or have only had one jab, but they all want to socialise, to go out in town, to go on holiday...

Easy to say as I've no desire to do any of that, but I'd absolutely support the strengthening of protective measures. I certainly don't support their lifting yet.

My heart goes out to you twiglet. I hope you stay safe x

JenniferEccles

Who said the vaccines aren’t good enough Wwmk2? It’s the first I’ve heard of it?
Oh yes, more scaremongering.

It’s been proved that the vaccines cut the link between infections and hospitalisation.

Every day several hundred thousand more people are being vaccinated, so there is no need to panic.

Yes we know the predominant Indian variant is more transmissible but I haven’t heard or read anything to say it’s a more dangerous variant.

Once the NHS App has been properly adjusted to stop it alerting all and sundry to self isolate, the situation will improve.

As far as I am aware, the facts about the virus are still much as they have always been in that, yes it can be nasty for a minority of people, but the vast majority of people who catch it make a full recovery.

Vaccines are not a magic bullet. Yes, they reduce hospitalisations and deaths for those who are fully vaccinated, but they are not enough on their own. People still need to be vigilant because they don't work for everybody. Not only that, but nearly half the UK population hasn't been fully vaccinated.

There is indeed no need to panic, but there is a need to keep one's eyes open and use one's brain.

I don't know what you've been reading, but there certainly is evidence that the delta (Indian) variant is more dangerous.

The "NHS" app hasn't been adjusted and has never worked properly. Many people don't have it anyway.

The majority of people probably do make a full recovery, but a significant minority don't. That's not just a handful - it's hundreds of thousands, who could be left with a permanent debilitating condition. Unlike flu, Covid attacks major organs and can cause lasting damage.

I'm not sure which facts about the virus you mean, but it's mutating all the time. The "facts" have not stood still.

Lin52

I would add the scientists also in that equation. Netherlands also possibly going back into lockdown because of Government failings.

Have I misunderstood this post?

The majority of scientists understand what's happening and are tearing their hair out about what the government's doing.

can't see that anyone else has posted this link www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/englands-covid-unlocking-a-threat-to-the-world-experts-say

Thanks Daisymae. I think that was announcement Whitewave was telling us about.

My real anger is that they have never sorted out TT&I. If they knew who would be pinged but had been vaccinated they could make it so those people are not pinged. We wouldn’t then have doctors, etc., unable to work and the threat (as I saw earlier on one of the new programmes) of a GP surgery closing.

We could also then insist that those pinged and not vaccinated are tested and enabled to stay at home. It really isn’t rocket science. Yes, we would open up more slowly but it would be a steady move forward.

Dailymail.co.uk have a copy of who signed this petition, it’s not what it seems.
Whilst the original signatures were scientists, once it was put on line not all of the signatures have been verified.

GrannyGravy13

Dailymail.co.uk have a copy of who signed this petition, it’s not what it seems.
Whilst the original signatures were scientists, once it was put on line not all of the signatures have been verified.

I suggest you watch the summit on YouTube then come back with a considered opinion.

GrannyGravy13

Dailymail.co.uk have a copy of who signed this petition, it’s not what it seems.
Whilst the original signatures were scientists, once it was put on line not all of the signatures have been verified.

Who were they?

Do you have a link?

Which petition are you talking about GrannyGravy?

growstuff

Do you have a link?

I put the website in my post

If you mean the letter to the Lancet, the signatories are there for anybody to read.

www.johnsnowmemo.com/

Whitewavemark2 haven’t got the time I’m afraid currently watching Bing Bunny with GS.

You simply can’t dismiss the formidable knowledge of scientists from all around with a link from the Daily Mail ??

I'm not allowed to say panicking, or scaremongering, so let's try "jumping to conclusions without all the facts."

Genocide, vaccines aren't effective and shrinking children's brains. What's that if it's not scaremongering? It's irresponsible.

Interesting summit. Sorry, but its the usual suspects. Independent SAGE and a few of their friends. Scientists have agendas and hobby horses, just like everyone else. Even Taiwanese and Israeli ones.

I think the opening up in England is premature, but I'm not going any further than that. As for being a threat to the world, has nobody thought that there are much bigger reservoirs of unvaccinated people in, say, Africa, that might be a bigger threat?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 haven’t got the time I’m afraid currently watching Bing Bunny with GS.

Yes it would take up too much time as it goes on for an hour.

Alegrias1

I'm not allowed to say panicking, or scaremongering, so let's try "jumping to conclusions without all the facts."

Genocide, vaccines aren't effective and shrinking children's brains. What's that if it's not scaremongering? It's irresponsible.

Interesting summit. Sorry, but its the usual suspects. Independent SAGE and a few of their friends. Scientists have agendas and hobby horses, just like everyone else. Even Taiwanese and Israeli ones.

I think the opening up in England is premature, but I'm not going any further than that. As for being a threat to the world, has nobody thought that there are much bigger reservoirs of unvaccinated people in, say, Africa, that might be a bigger threat?

Who said vaccines are shrinking children's brains?

What is known is that Covid infection affects the brain in some cases and causes reduced function and nobody knows yet whether it's permanent. That's not scaremongering either. It's a fact.