Criminally Negligent: What Jacob Rees Mogg Said! ?

I think it was a very foolish comment.

Yammy Because of your username, I always assumed that you were a Yam-Yam!
But if you say ‘scones as in ones’ you can’t be, can you?

Calm down Cossy and stop shouting.
You have your opinion and and I have mine, just as every poster on GN also does.

(cupcake1*. Yes

Boris said on Sky News yesterday that the Covid vaccine:
"it DOESN'T protect you against catching the disease and it DOESN'T protect you passing it on". Public Health England data say that 63% of deaths are double vaccinated people. So why get vaccinated? I know more double vaccinated people who have had covid than I did last year with no vaccine!! Something isn't right!

FannyCornforth

Yammy Because of your username, I always assumed that you were a Yam-Yam!
But if you say ‘scones as in ones’ you can’t be, can you?

yauo ay the only one cock

lemongrove

Calm down Cossy and stop shouting.
You have your opinion and and I have mine, just as every poster on GN also does.

It’s not your opinion that’s the issue here Lemongrove, it’s your incredibly selfish attitude ! I sincerely hope you think hard and long about telling people to stop shouting and calm down next time you come across people who’ve lost people to this virus !

You are RM are clearly cut from the same cloth!

Enjoy your weekend, in your bubble !

Well said Lemongrove and Baggs- sensible and reasoned. JRM is an Oxford educated historian so certainly not stupid. He is a one-off- like him or loathe him- and it is quite true that we have all been meeting friends recently or going back to work without masks. Infections are rising indeed - however around half are in primary age children who have not been vaccinated - my son is a hospital consultant- last week they had 68 Covid patients- this week they have 76- 15 of whom are in ICU - none of whom have been vaccinated. Of the remainder most have not been jabbed but there are a small number of vaccinated patients who are expected to recover reasonably well - some of whom are obese.
None of this is the government’s fault. I am not a particular fan of Boris incidentally but feel that blame is sometimes wrongly directed.
For instance, there are some excellent GP surgeries with a really effective manager and motivated doctors- we are lucky enough to belong to one of these- there may be a few hospitals with effective managers - some areas of our local hospital are fantastic - some areas need much attention. I think managers, who get paid a lot, are often not up to the job - the same applies to managers of care homes - I know of one - whose manager took action early on in the pandemic - and they had one death - which was expected anyway. Quite a success story and why? Because the manager did her job.

Perhaps Mogg could follow that manager's example.

all mps should be made to wear face masks in the house of commons and show an example to the british populastion who does rees mog think he is he is one of the selfish people in this country wake up mps you are not any body special you are just living on the gravy train of the tax payers

Perhaps you could use the quote facility so that some of us know what are your words, and what are words you are quoting

Well - I see what you’re implying, but he doesn’t manage a care home or a hospital- I’m afraid we have to take responsibility too.

I’m not being aggressive here but how come Tory voters just relentlessly excuse condone and agree with everything any Tory MP says ?

Nope, as a Conservative voter in the last election, I certainly don't agree with everything they say. I am firmly of the belief that they should be modelling safe behaviour around Covid and I think to come out with the claptrap JRM spouted shows a complete misunderstanding of his role. I don't think he is stupid, he is arrogant and that is worse than being stupid. Stupid people can't help themselves, he can.
I don't understand why this Government don't make masks mandatory for the time being in public spaces. Increased incidence of Covid infection in my grandaughter's school has meant they are back in bubbles so the problem is still huge.
I don't want to see us back in lockdown, particularly in care homes where it has the most damaging effects but this virus is unrelenting so the Government needs to be the same in its efforts to tackle it.
The saddest thing is that when it comes to re-election, I still don't see an alternative yet.

My daughter told me what he said but I've only seen it for myself now thanks to the link on here.
If I said what I really think of JRM on here my post would probably be deleted - make of that what you will. Until the government get their act together and bring in plan B, the covid numbers will continue to rise until we end up locked down again as the NHS will be overwhelmed. Personally I believe the NHS already is overwhelmed considering the people I know whose operations have been seriously delayed or are still waiting in great pain. Booster jabs won't solve everything as the rising numbers are primarily amongst the young and their families.
Prioritising the economy is important, but making mask wearing compulsory will not harm the economy yet may save some lives and reduce hospital admissions.
There is a petition online asking the government to implement plan B. Please sign. It had received over 100,000 signatures when I last looked. www.change.org - sorry can't find complete link but I signed it and shared on Facebook.

Olive53

Boris said on Sky News yesterday that the Covid vaccine:
"it DOESN'T protect you against catching the disease and it DOESN'T protect you passing it on". Public Health England data say that 63% of deaths are double vaccinated people. So why get vaccinated? I know more double vaccinated people who have had covid than I did last year with no vaccine!! Something isn't right!

Here we go then:

The vaccines reduce your chances of catching the virus. They also reduce your chances of passing it on. Reduce does not mean eliminate. They significantly reduce your changes of being ill or dying from the virus - by something like 90%-95%, I think.

If 100% of people in the country were vaccinated, there would still be cases of Covid and people would still die of it. So the fact that most people who have caught Covid are double vaxxed is what you would expect, given that the majority of the population have already been vaxxed.

So you are completely wrong to say "something isn't right", but now you have the explanation.

Hope you followed that. I'm thinking of putting together a PowerPoint presentation

Alegrias1 another sensible and educated post, thank you.

JRM is an Oxford educated historian so certainly not stupid.

Well....

Describing the work as “a dozen clumsily written pompous schoolboy compositions”, he said it claimed to be a work of history but was in fact “yet another bit of self-promotion by a highly motivated modern politician”.

www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/absolutely-abysmal-critics-rip-apart-jacob-rees-mogg-s-new-book-1.3898239

There are other bits I could quote but I really recommend you read the article, and any of the others that are out there.

Thank you Alegrias. Another sensible post.

I've just skim read the reviews.

No doubt every sanctimonious academic in the country has already decided that Rees-Mogg’s book has to be dreadful, so it would have been fun to disappoint them,” he wrote. “But there is just no denying it: the book is terrible, so bad, so boring, so mind-bogglingly banal that if it had been written by anybody else it would never have been published

Alegrias1

Baggs

Subi

He enjoys winding people up! Best ignored.

I agree. I also think he says such things with a touch of humour which, I know, many people will not 'get'. He's a teaser. Shrug.

He is central to the way the country is run.

Humour is it? Looking down on the little people who don't understand his teasing?

He's a git with no sense of responsibility.

Yes, the kind of humour that is absolutely typical of robust debate. The to and fro of sarcasm or irony is par for the course. I learnt this at a convent grammar school where we had keen debates. One of the best debaters during my time there was Dorothy Byrne who later became Head of news and Current Affairs on Channel 4.

A lot of gransnetters must have been to similar schools to mine. I don't believe I'm in a minority in understanding the essence of debating cut and thrust.

Liking or not liking JRM is beside the point. Agreeing or disagreeing with him is beside the point.

A load of mass debaters.

MissAdventure

A load of mass debaters.

Believe it or not, we were taught to be critical and debate at my very rough comprehensive school

Since the beginning of the pandemic there have been those who have just done their own thing. Next door chikdminder, adults had to stop on doorstep with children delivering and collecting but okay to have mobile hairdresser in house fir a couple of hours. Once better weather arrived and able to meet outdoors childminder set up 2 feet diameter table and chairs in garden fir all and sundry to sit round. Of course the parents all knew one another so they wouldn't catch Covid. Can see where JRM gets his theory from; the general public.

icanhandthemback

^I’m not being aggressive here but how come Tory voters just relentlessly excuse condone and agree with everything any Tory MP says ? ^

Nope, as a Conservative voter in the last election, I certainly don't agree with everything they say. I am firmly of the belief that they should be modelling safe behaviour around Covid and I think to come out with the claptrap JRM spouted shows a complete misunderstanding of his role. I don't think he is stupid, he is arrogant and that is worse than being stupid. Stupid people can't help themselves, he can.
I don't understand why this Government don't make masks mandatory for the time being in public spaces. Increased incidence of Covid infection in my grandaughter's school has meant they are back in bubbles so the problem is still huge.
I don't want to see us back in lockdown, particularly in care homes where it has the most damaging effects but this virus is unrelenting so the Government needs to be the same in its efforts to tackle it.
The saddest thing is that when it comes to re-election, I still don't see an alternative yet.

Thank you for that post. Very refreshing to see a conservative voter displaying critical ability and not automatically agreeing with everything the government does .