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Ineffictiveness of Covid vaccines for the immunocompromised.

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Marydoll Sun 21-Nov-21 19:40:12

There have been a few discussions recently, where some posters insisted that there was no such thing as a Third Primary Vaccine for those who are immunosuppressed, it was just the same as a booster. It isn't.

I have just read an article in the Sunday papers, which reported that a number of immunosuppressed patients in England and Wales are seriously ill in hospital with Covid, because their GP had no knowledge of the requirement to get a third primary dose, nor the urgency of needing one, rather than a booster.
Some patients were found to have had little resistance to Covid, despite having had two vaccinations. In other words, for them the vaccine was ineffective.
As someone, who is immunocompromised, I was horrified to read this.

BlueSky Wed 24-Nov-21 11:26:39

Fanny I believe all boosters are Pfizer/Moderna regardless of first jab, unless that person cannot have it for medical reasons.

FannyCornforth Wed 24-Nov-21 11:32:11

Thank you BlueSky, succinct and helpful!

BlueSky Wed 24-Nov-21 11:45:33

FannyCornforth

Thank you BlueSky, succinct and helpful!

That’s me Fanny! grin

Marydoll Wed 24-Nov-21 11:55:36

AZ were being offered at my hub for boosters a few weeks ago!.

FannyCornforth Wed 24-Nov-21 11:56:39

Marydoll

AZ were being offered at my hub for boosters a few weeks ago!.

Oh no! Here we go again! confused

Hetty58 Wed 24-Nov-21 12:02:44

Anyone who has a positive PCR test can have free antibody testing. There are many clinics, here in London, that do antibody testing for around £80. That could be worthwhile peace of mind for some.

BlueSky Wed 24-Nov-21 12:03:46

Marydoll

AZ were being offered at my hub for boosters a few weeks ago!.

Merydoll never! They must have a surplus!

Barmeyoldbat Wed 24-Nov-21 12:17:23

My first two were AZ and my third primary which I was lucky enough to have way back in Sept was a full shot PZ. Sometime in the coming months I will be having a booster for the PZ. JUst so grateful that my surgery is on the ball. Went to the surgery today for blood pressure and the waiting room was looking normal with people, masked up, waiting to see the Dr.

Katek Wed 24-Nov-21 13:10:04

I was told when receiving my booster that it would be Pfizer as my first 2 had been AZ. Nurse also said that all boosters in our area were Pfizer, and Moderna was being used in the city due to a shortage in supply of AZ. I live in Grampian Health Board area.

Marydoll Wed 24-Nov-21 13:29:30

BlueSky

Marydoll

AZ were being offered at my hub for boosters a few weeks ago!.

Merydoll never! They must have a surplus!

I was offered the AZ for my third primary, until I explained why I required the Pfizer or Moderna.
A lack of important knowledge out there. That is why I try to be proactive and find out as much as I can.

BlueSky Wed 24-Nov-21 14:05:04

Marydoll I’ve learnt a lot from your posts, a lot of information is missing on this topic!

Marydoll Wed 24-Nov-21 14:08:42

Thank you. I am certainly not claiming to be an expert, but some knowledge is better than none! This difficulty has got my mushy brain working again, that can only be a good thing!
We need to support each other.

Marydoll Wed 24-Nov-21 14:39:01

Fanny, I explained to the vaccinator about not having the AZ and she called for the person in charge. It was easily resolved.
However, you must make it clear that it is a third primary, not a booster, so that it will be noted on your Community Health Index that you will be called for a booster in six months time.
Assume nothing!

I checked with the vaccination helpline a week later, as suggested by the vaccinator and it is on my record that I will be called again in six months.

You certainly need to be on the ball!!!

Lizzie72 Wed 24-Nov-21 14:58:30

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-for-people-with-a-weakened-immune-system/covid-19-vaccination-guide-for-people-with-a-weakened-immune-system

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine-3rd-dose/

Seems to be a fair bit of information about this online. My neighbour, currently undergoing chemo treatment, was routinely offered a third dose.

Marydoll Wed 24-Nov-21 15:01:58

Thanks for that, Lizzie. However, a few weeks ago, there was little or no information available and it hasn't been disseminated to all those who should be informed.

Lizzie72 Wed 24-Nov-21 16:26:42

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/10/nhs-delivers-more-than-850000-top-up-jabs-to-most-at-risk/

Marydoll Wed 24-Nov-21 16:40:14

Lizzie72

^https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/10/nhs-delivers-more-than-850000-top-up-jabs-to-most-at-risk/^

The link didn't work, so here it is again.
www.england.nhs.uk/2021/10/nhs-delivers-more-than-850000-top-up-jabs-to-most-at-risk

That's great news if you live in England.

NHS England
A total of 863,460 people have already had their top up jab, including boosters and some third doses, since the NHS launched its booster programme.

There are over 500,000 immunosuppressed people in England alone. The figure above includes boosters as well as a third vaccine, so still many patients still to get it.

Lizzie72 Wed 24-Nov-21 17:27:39

https://www.nhsinform.scot/covid-19-vaccine/the-vaccines/coronavirus-covid-19-third-dose-vaccination

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/get-covid-19-vaccination-northern-ireland#toc-4

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine-3rd-dose/

Lizzie72 Wed 24-Nov-21 17:30:26

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine-3rd-dose/

www.nhsinform.scot/covid-19-vaccine/the-vaccines/coronavirus-covid-19-third-dose-vaccination

www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/get-covid-19-vaccination-northern-ireland

Marydoll Wed 24-Nov-21 17:37:33

Thanks, that's helpful Lizzie

I have already said previously that in Scotland the NHS Inform website had no information about this, until a couple of weeks ago and I am already aware of that information. However, people here, are still struggling to get a third Primary dose. I have that information from a friend who is a GP.

Here are the correct hyperlinks you provided, to save anyone having to cut and paste into your browser.

www.nhsinform.scot/covid-19-vaccine/the-vaccines/coronavirus-covid-19-third-dose-vaccination

www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/get-covid-19-vaccination-northern-ireland#toc-4

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine-3rd-dose

Lizzie72 Wed 24-Nov-21 18:01:10

www.mygov.scot/covid-highest-risk/covid-vaccinations

Marydoll Wed 24-Nov-21 18:10:58

You couldn't do it two weeks ago in Scotland. Vaccination helpline agents hadn't a clue and had never heard of a Third Primary.Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, Lizzie.

That's great news for those who have still to get a Third Primary Vaccine.
Shame it wasn't so easy for some of us.

Calistemon Wed 24-Nov-21 19:13:03

Marydoll no-one seems to have any idea here. I was invited for a booster but asked some questions about having that and the flu vaccination at the same time and think I've been crossed off the list now.

Perhaps just as well as I may need the third vaccine anyway. Until I saw your thread I hadn't heard of it and my consultant has never mentioned it. Another point to clarify when speak to him next week when we have another telephone consultation.

Grannynannywanny Tue 07-Dec-21 10:14:11

I just caught the end of Morning Live this morning and apparently they’d had a vaccine and covid discussion earlier in the programme. They squeezed in one last question that a caller had texted in to the show.

She stated she’d had 3 vaccines and asked the resident doctor Rupy Aujila if and when she requires a booster. The doctor burst out laughing along with the other 2 presenters and said if she’s had 3 then she’s obviously had her booster.

He is an NHS GP and he laughed off the woman’s question as if she was clueless when in fact he’s the clueless expert. It’s no wonder people who are CEV are finding it difficult to access clear information when the BBC are paying NHS doctors a fee to sit there broadcasting misinformation ?

Missedout Tue 07-Dec-21 10:42:39

I have been taking part in a study of vaccine efficacy in the immunocompromised. I don't wish to be critical but there have been glitches and I had reason to query why I had not been expected to supply a blood spot test after my 3rd Primary vaccine.

After a flurry of emails, I had a phone call from the team confirming that I needed to carry out blood tests now and just before my booster and four weeks after it.

The only problem was that the immunology team understood that my booster would be 6 months after the 3rd Primary.

It is not - the booster following the 3rd Primary will be 3 months afterwards. Even my team were not aware of this and it wasn't until I sent them a link to the Cancer UK website that my 'instructions' were revised.

Apparently the government website has not been updated recently and suitable guidance is not available.

There is a maze of misinformation out there.