Statement from the BMA on lifting Covid restrictions

Personally I wouldn't put any trust in either.

Who do you think wrote the BMA article Urms? The tea lady? One of the secretaries? Or perhaps a qualified doctor?

Germanshepherdsmum

Who do you think wrote the BMA article Urms? The tea lady? One of the secretaries? Or perhaps a qualified doctor?

Probably the media officer of the union

A GP. He's a GP.

And I'll say this - he certainly doesn't understand data. Or maybe he understands how to use selective and misleading statistics to help make his case.

(Sorry UG, I jumped in)

Are you looking down on a professional person Alegrias? You of all people?

Glad you did Alegiras you answered that somewhat sneery question better than I would have been able.

No, I'm not looking down on him. I'm stating fact. He either doesn't understand that restrictions are imposed while data is on the increase, or he is declining to explain that the imposed restrictions have had their desired effect, that the NHS hasn't collapsed and that there are other effects to consider now.

You can disagree with someone and point out their inconsistencies or weaknesses without looking down on them.

This may be a foreign concept to some, eh GSM?

A friend of mine is a GP.
Maths isn’t her best subject that’s for sure! She admits she struggles.

What’s important is to read the sub-text of why the BMA have put this information out. It’s because of the feedback they are getting from their members about the pressures facing doctors in their roles at the moment. De-politicising and de-statisticising ( no such word I’m sure) the message tells the underlying story of the desperation they feel about their position.
This is the result of a survey from the Royal College of Physicians:
www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/press-release-one-five-doctors-feels-overwhelmed-work-every-day

Just because someone has an ology does not mean that they are experts in every field.

Alegrias1

A GP. He's a GP.

And I'll say this - he certainly doesn't understand data. Or maybe he understands how to use selective and misleading statistics to help make his case.

(Sorry UG, I jumped in)

Aren’t people on both sides of the argument doing the same which doesn’t actually prove anything ?

Yes I do

''Kali2 do you know what a learned body is?''

OH has been a Member for 43 years. All the Members are 'learned' I can assure you.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT A LEARNED BODY.

Sorry, was I shouting?

Good post, as always Casdon

A GP. He's a GP.

Yes, someone who has studied medicine for 10 years.

Considering your friend would have had to have 3 As in Sciences to get to study medicine- then her maths can't be that bad!

It makes it a body of highly qualified professionals- who will have to conitnue to be trained up to date and assessed, throughout the career. That will do for me.

I'm good at maths. I mean, really good.

I know lots of doctors. Their maths is really not that good generally.

I am, however, disastrous at biology or anything to do with living bodies ?

Of course the 10 years is the bare minimum- many GPs, as well as other medical practitioners, have long careers and further training and experience behind them too.

Her maths isn’t that bad Kali2 but to be honest it’s definitely a weak point - which we laughed about.

Alegrias1

The BMA. The doctor's Union. Not a learned body.

They're entitled to their opinion as well as the next person, but they are not experts in this matter.

Of course neither is Boris and his gang of reprobates and I think they're going too fast. But I'm afraid the opinion of the BMA doesn't count as gospel. They didn't think we should have a 12-week gap for vaccinations either. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong.

Well said Alegrias.

My daughter’s a doctor, nothing particularly special, just an ordinary doctor. She told me that pandemics last between 3 and 10 years. I believe her.

So 20% of doctors feel stressed out every day Casdon.
Which means 80% don’t.

Casdon good post. It’s the reason my two escaped to New Zealand for two years. Doctors are under pressure in this country whether they are GPs or consultants. Too many patients, too few doctors, Covid. It all adds up to immense pressure.

Did you read the article Urmstongran?
‘More than two thirds of doctors (69%) have felt overwhelmed at least once while at work in the past 3 weeks, according to a survey by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP). Some 27.5% of respondents said they had felt overwhelmed once or twice during this period, 21.5% once or twice a week. A fifth (20.5%) said they had felt overwhelmed almost every day.’
I think that’s a pretty dire reflection, maybe you don’t?

There is an increasing population Urmstongran which adds up to increasing pressure. And far too few doctors for the patients. And Covid which entailed masses of government directives which they have to read as well as look after patients. A lot of doctors have retired, emigrated, or left for other reasons. They are under pressures that few of the rest of us can understand.

I agree there maddyone. Governments have opened our doors and not provided sufficient infrastructure to cope. Not enough housing stock, nurses, dentists either. Not fair on the taxpayer, not fair on the professionals we need.