200000 Covid Deaths - ONS Data

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/13/number-of-uk-covid-deaths-passes-200000-ons-data?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Concerning though it maybe there is nothing that can be done about what happened in the past
The vacination program has done its job so far and reduced serious illness and deaths.
There has been some talk of putting in restrictions again but quite honestly don't think it will work to the same degree. Many will not comply again

You ask ‘why aren’t people concerned’ Daisymae well maybe, just quietly, some of us are, but what are you expecting?
Calls for restrictions? Demonstrations? Shutting up shop again? Or was it a rhetorical question?

Jaxjacky

You ask ‘why aren’t people concerned’ Daisymae well maybe, just quietly, some of us are, but what are you expecting?
Calls for restrictions? Demonstrations? Shutting up shop again? Or was it a rhetorical question?

You're just being absurd.

We should be looking to improve ventilation and air filtration in all indoor spaces, particularly in schools and educational establishments where our young people are vulnerable to a disease that can have known long term effects and long term effects that are only just beginning to be discovered.

We should have a mask mandate for all enclosed spaces, which would not only help to prevent the transmission of covid but also other respiratory diseases.

We should be vaccinating with effective vaccines, and that includes vaccinating children.

These are not too much to ask for. This is a world wide problem and to ignore it is foolishly storing up health problems globally for years to come.

Unfortunately we have a government which has zero interest in promoting the health and wellbeing of its citizens.

I havn't noticed any of the Tory leadership contenders saying anything about this (preventative measures ) but I might have missed it

Last week the UK Covid death average was 50, now it's over 250.
It would be nice to see these stats on the News.

I’m afraid that most people (and the government) seem to think that living with covid equates to ignoring it’s existence. Given that the infection rate fluctuates so much, by now we should have adapted to protect ourselves and those around us by constantly monitoring the situation and changing our habits accordingly. Especially as high infection rates seem to enable the virus to mutate faster. Eastern countries are very good at adapting their lifestyle to protect themselves. What is it about those of us in the west, that makes people live their lives thinking purely about themselves and not those around them.

COVID is now an endemic disease. It will never leave us. As with flu, measles, whooping cough etc, what we need to do is keep our vaccinations up to date, know, that if we do get the illness we will not need to be hospitalised and if we are, the range of remedies grow daily. The chances of a serious illness or death, for the vaccinated, is vanishingly rare and in the future it will probably not be as fatal as flu, which kills 25-30,00 people every year. We must just accept that COVID is just another of the many risks that assail us on a daily basis.

But at the moment some places are struggling with staff shortages so we still need to do something to minimise risk. A friend of mine has been so ill with it she couldn’t get out of bed. Hospital staff need to protect and be protected by mask wearing. A phlebotomist friend of mine was horrified when mandatory mask wearing was removed. She has only just recovered from another illness and her husband is high risk.

I don’t think I was being absurd MaizieD ironic maybe.
Vaccination hasn’t stopped for those unvaccinated and an autumn booster is, I believe, planned.
Where are your figures from Çhardy I follow the ONS updates and they don’t accord?
I agree MOnica totally.
I’m encouraged by work ongoing by UK Research and Innovation on Covid matters.

How does this differ from the situation with the flu season? Companies short staffeed becaause everyone is down with flu, some people being very ill with it - and as we know 25-30,000 people dying of flu.

COVID is now endemic. We have got to learn to live with it. There is not an alternative.

M0nica

COVID is now an endemic disease. It will never leave us. As with flu, measles, whooping cough etc, what we need to do is keep our vaccinations up to date, know, that if we do get the illness we will not need to be hospitalised and if we are, the range of remedies grow daily. The chances of a serious illness or death, for the vaccinated, is vanishingly rare and in the future it will probably not be as fatal as flu, which kills 25-30,00 people every year. We must just accept that COVID is just another of the many risks that assail us on a daily basis.

I totally agree with you MOnica we have so much for information and medical interventions than we had in the initial phases. If I felt I was at risk I would wear a decent FFP2 mask then it would not matter what everyone else was doing.
Everyone that wants it has had the opportunity to be vaccinated and they are working on new vaccines all the time.
Testing is still available at a minimal cost both my children have just tested recently as one had a very sore throat and one has a very high temperature neither have Covid

Covid us still not in the endemic stage, no matter what we try to tell ourselves. This complacency is fuelling an increase in cases and hospitalisations.

What is the evidence that the rise is being fuelled by complacency. Too many claims are made and have been made over the last two years, many of which are disproven by actual figures.

M0nica

What is the evidence that the rise is being fuelled by complacency. Too many claims are made and have been made over the last two years, many of which are disproven by actual figures.

Hear hear ??

Daisymae

Covid us still not in the endemic stage, no matter what we try to tell ourselves. This complacency is fuelling an increase in cases and hospitalisations.

I'm right with you, Daisymae. Plenty of complacency being demonstrated on this thread.

'Learning to live with it' should mean adapting to a disease which can attack the internal organs and have life altering consequences.

Learning to live with it should include at the very least attention to ventilation and air filtering and the use of effective masks. It's ensuring that people aren't forced to go to work when infectious; it's paying proper sick pay...

Vaccination is not the life saver people think it is when dealing with a constantly mutating virus.

Vaccination is not the life saver people think it is when dealing with a constantly mutating virus.

Today's winner of the award for the Daftest Statement goes to...

That's a very bad thing to say. Its verging on misinformation. Vaccination is what is saving lives, not open windows and face coverings.

volver

^Vaccination is not the life saver people think it is when dealing with a constantly mutating virus.^

Today's winner of the award for the Daftest Statement goes to...

That's a very bad thing to say. Its verging on misinformation. Vaccination is what is saving lives, not open windows and face coverings.

Yes it is. Vaccination has saved countless lives already and will continue to do so.

It is not 200,000 deaths from covid but 200,000 with covid, that is, covid is mentioned on the death certificate.

I think that might be why people aren't more concerned.

I am seeing more concern about illness and deaths associated with/caused by lockdown.

Yes, DD came very close to death, because of inadequate health care during the first lockdown. For a month she was in a situation where her GP said she could have a fatal heart attack at any moment. This was the result of the doctor failing to order standard tests for a relatively minor problem when the consultation was done over the phone.

volver

^Vaccination is not the life saver people think it is when dealing with a constantly mutating virus.^

Today's winner of the award for the Daftest Statement goes to...

That's a very bad thing to say. Its verging on misinformation. Vaccination is what is saving lives, not open windows and face coverings.

I was in tears of relief when I had my first vaccine. But the game changer imo was when it was apparent that vaccines only provided several months immunity, didn’t prevent re infection and didn’t prevent transmission. Imo that’s when it was decided to just let it rip. I don’t understand why there aren’t more therapeutics etc. As it is , if you catch covid and aren’t immune suppressed or high risk, all you can do is take paracetamol. And people are being very ill with the latest variant. Maybe people are dying ‘with’ covid but I’m pretty sure that an awful lot of those 200,000 people would still be alive now if they hadn’t caught it. If complacency isn’t helping to bring about the increase in cases what is? I’m sure someone on here will tell me.

Baggs

It is not 200,000 deaths from covid but 200,000 with covid, that is, covid is mentioned on the death certificate.

I think that might be why people aren't more concerned.

I am seeing more concern about illness and deaths associated with/caused by lockdown.

Covid being ‘mentioned’ on death certificate means that it was identified as a contributory factor to the person’s death. That is not a minor issue.

Because covid mutates MayBee70, who’s to say what the next variant may bring, nothing much I hope.
In a different way, an educated guess is made each year of which flu virus will be prevalent, I get my vaccine every year, but if ‘they’ have guessed incorrectly, it may be useless.
We do our best guided by epidemiologists and their colleagues.

MayBee70

volver

Vaccination is not the life saver people think it is when dealing with a constantly mutating virus.

Today's winner of the award for the Daftest Statement goes to...

That's a very bad thing to say. Its verging on misinformation. Vaccination is what is saving lives, not open windows and face coverings.

I was in tears of relief when I had my first vaccine. But the game changer imo was when it was apparent that vaccines only provided several months immunity, didn’t prevent re infection and didn’t prevent transmission. Imo that’s when it was decided to just let it rip. I don’t understand why there aren’t more therapeutics etc. As it is , if you catch covid and aren’t immune suppressed or high risk, all you can do is take paracetamol. And people are being very ill with the latest variant. Maybe people are dying ‘with’ covid but I’m pretty sure that an awful lot of those 200,000 people would still be alive now if they hadn’t caught it. If complacency isn’t helping to bring about the increase in cases what is? I’m sure someone on here will tell me.

I've got covid right now. I'm not well, but I'm not dead either. And that's mainly because of the vaccine. Other family members who've got it aren't as ill as me, not nearly. I'm expecting to be better in a few days. As well as paracetamol I have had two other medications to counter the symptoms.

I haven't had a booster for several months so my immunity to infection is probably lower than it was. But my immune system is primed to fight the infection. I won't be scared of it again and I won't be hiding away or acting like the plague is knocking on the door in an effort to get us all.

Life is short. We need to stop letting our lives be ruled by covid.