Covid & Shingles is there a link?

volver

I looked up the Florida "advice against mRNA vaccine for young men" thing. It's based on flawed methodology, the reasons to doubt it are too many to list here. If Deepti Gurdasani thinks you are overreacting, it's pretty safe to assume you are overreacting.

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Questioning things is good. None of us should just accept what we are told without question. But sometimes understanding the answers you get requires a bit of specialist knowledge. Promoting this mRNA thing as meaning that "Florida are advising young men not to take the vaccines" is dangerous. I'm making assumptions here but I think that Namsnanny is taking it as further evidence for a plot or something about taking vaccines.

Do the UK authorities always get it right? No. Does some conspiracy-theory-supporting guy in Florida get it right? Rarely.

Nullius in verba. Even if it supports your preconceptions. Especially if it supports your preconceptions.

Sorry. I missed this post volver ( my internet keeps crashing and I’m constantly having to turn it off and turn it back on again) and thanks for the info. Going back to the early days of the pandemic the fact that the WHO didn’t admit that the virus was airborne, didn’t call it a pandemic until I had spread throughout the world, advised people that mask wearing was a waste of time etc ( thankfully I didn’t believe them about masks) I do find myself questioning everything and everybody, myself included.

Why are there videos in the middle of this thread?
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I’ve got a computer guy coming to my house tomorrow to install a new computer. I won’t expect him to wear a mask ( although he did offer to last time he came) but I will wear one myself.

Perhaps the Covid vaccine weakens immunity to the chicken pox virus ?

Ideas can be dangerous, if they are based on conjecture and no supporting evidence.

I still wear a mask.

volver

^ideas can be investigated.^

Yep, and if your ideas are rubbish, expect to be told so.

They’re just ideas. And I just want to discuss them with people in a polite way. For what it’s worth I think people should have continued to wear masks, because that does protect other people. If you see pictures of people in eastern countries they still wear masks because it’s part of their culture and it was becoming part of ours, too and would have helped prevent the spread of colds and flu in winter. As it is I, again feel a bit silly when I’m the only person wearing a mask.Everyone, scientists, medics etc are still learning about this virus and it’s going to be an ongoing thing for years to come. So we all need to continue to ask questions and be prepared to adapt to the current circumstances.

The vaccine doesn’t stop you catching covid. And it doesn’t stop you passing it on. Some people have all the vaccines and boosters and still get covid really badly and others hardly know they’ve had it. So it’s obviously down to each persons individual immune system. I think my biggest disappointment was realising that the vaccine didn’t prevent transmission which is why, I think, it varies from the measles vaccine (?). Look, I’m only thinking out loud here. We have shielded ourselves for 2 1/2 years and I’ve missed out on 2 years of being part of my grandchildrens lives. My ex, their granddad, has lived a pretty normal life, continued to socialise, go to work, have holidays etc and still hasn’t caught it. I’m still going to be careful, still not going to the cinema, shopping or travelling on public transport. Wear a mask if I do have to go somewhere and have done so for over two years. Keep up to date with all vaccinations, including covid. But I’m just questioning several things and certainly not advising anyone on what they should or shouldn’t do. If I don’t say something on here I only have DH or the dog to discuss it with. Isn’t that what forums are for?

Oh dear!

I should have added I realised there was a omission in your post MayBee70 because I read the earlier ones.

ideas can be investigated.

Yep, and if your ideas are rubbish, expect to be told so.

My mum had shingles a lot of times. She died age 88 without ever having dementia so I doubt the connection.

MayBee70

I must point out that one is advising the over 50’s to not have the vaccine.

Quite.

Vaccines have long been proven safe.

And as was pointed out somewhere up thread this is an open forum where ideas can be investigated.
Not an echo chamber.

volver

MayBee70

I must point out that one is advising the over 50’s to not have the vaccine.

Right, this is a case in point.

Who is "one"?
Why are they advising this?
What evidence are the using?
Are they advising them not to have any vaccine?
Or just the COVID one?
Or just a particular COVID one?

This statement is meaningless and dangerous, because it sows doubt in people's minds about getting vaccinated, but doesn't use any evidence or facts to base the assertion on. Its wrong to do that and its unfair.

Spelling error. I meant no one. Apologies.

But MayBee if large numbers of people, possibly younger people, begin to avoid Covid vaccinations, it is very likely that there will be a large resurgence, and that may well result in more hospital admissions and more deaths. And some of those cases will be older people, despite their vaccinations, because the vaccinations are not 100% protective. In any case, more hospital admittances will certainly mean cancellations of operations and other treatments.

MayBee70

I must point out that one is advising the over 50’s to not have the vaccine.

Right, this is a case in point.

Who is "one"?
Why are they advising this?
What evidence are the using?
Are they advising them not to have any vaccine?
Or just the COVID one?
Or just a particular COVID one?

This statement is meaningless and dangerous, because it sows doubt in people's minds about getting vaccinated, but doesn't use any evidence or facts to base the assertion on. Its wrong to do that and its unfair.

How (very)dare you put words into my mouth Volver? As Catherine Tate might have said??

Any attention is better than none eh??

A lot of people don’t seem to realise how important it is to have a pneumonia vaccine. I’m having one next week because the one I had a couple of years ago doesn’t cover me for some pneumonias. You only need one every ten years or so.

I must point out that one is advising the over 50’s to not have the vaccine.

I believe volver is correct on this. If people start to avoid the vaccinations in large numbers we will inevitably have a resurgence of serious Covid. It is always a good thing to question government on various issues, but on this issue I trust our government to act in my/our best interests. I think people who peddle conspiracy on vaccines or try to put people off having vaccinations are irresponsible in the extreme. And I count any Gransnetters who engage in this behaviour as such.

I don’t always agree with Volver but she is absolutely right on this. Look at the panic over MMR and the increase in measles cases, based on false and unsubstantiated claims. As so many are saying, shingles is horrible, and I paid to have the vaccination when DH was so I’ll because I knew I couldn’t afford to be laid low.

I don’t really know what to believe any more to be honest.

Covid vaccines have saved 20 million lives around the world. My advice - believe that.

Tell them to have what they are offered. Otherwise we'll have a resurgence in the incidence of the illness, and we'll all start talking about it again.

I don’t really know what to believe any more to be honest. The younger members of my family have all had covid and are not going to have boosters. My youngest grandchildren haven’t been vaccinated. My eldest grandson has a needle phobia and had to be held down to have his vaccinations which has obviously made it even worse. Because I’m old I shall continue to be vaccinated but don’t know what I’d advise young people to do. As my grandson said to me the other day, ‘ no one talks about it any more; it’s as if it didn’t exist’.

I looked up the Florida "advice against mRNA vaccine for young men" thing. It's based on flawed methodology, the reasons to doubt it are too many to list here. If Deepti Gurdasani thinks you are overreacting, it's pretty safe to assume you are overreacting.

twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1579045206170615809

Questioning things is good. None of us should just accept what we are told without question. But sometimes understanding the answers you get requires a bit of specialist knowledge. Promoting this mRNA thing as meaning that "Florida are advising young men not to take the vaccines" is dangerous. I'm making assumptions here but I think that Namsnanny is taking it as further evidence for a plot or something about taking vaccines.

Do the UK authorities always get it right? No. Does some conspiracy-theory-supporting guy in Florida get it right? Rarely.

Nullius in verba. Even if it supports your preconceptions. Especially if it supports your preconceptions.

Horrendous isnt it?
And to think I encouraged my adult children and partners to keep up with their vac. and boosters.
I feel the scales have dropped for me.

Thanks Maybee. I think that is very sound advice.