Covid vaccine harm?

Thank you Growstuff. You can really only ignore the mindless conspiracy theorists as they have a tendency to imply those who challenge them are "obviously" implicated. I am sure the dreadful Bridgen is now well trained enough to do just that.

As some are not inclined to click on links I thought it worth posting the Full Fact report.

During Prime Minister’s Questions today, Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen made a series of claims about the Covid-19 vaccines, including that there had been “more reported deaths and adverse reactions following mRNA vaccination in 18 months” than for all other vaccines administered “worldwide” over the past 50 years, and that the Covid-19 mRNA vaccines “are not recommended for pregnant women or those who are breastfeeding”.

These comments are misleading. We’ve previously written about other comments made by Mr Bridgen on the Covid-19 vaccines.

The Moderna and Pfizer Covid-19 vaccines use mRNA technology. We’ve written more about how these vaccines work.

If you do click through you will be able to click and go to further work done by Full Fact.

I don't hold out a great deal of hope that this government will ever hold anyone to the truth but Bridgen should be out unless he withdraws these misleading claims.

Namsnanny

My husband and I HAVE HAD OUR VAC, but I wouldn't encourage my AC to do so now.

I put it in caps so people wont come to the wrong conclusion that I am anti vacc.

Actually I don't like that label, as people who have no problems with other vaccines, but don't want to have this one, don't seem to be anti vaccines at all, to me.

Why is the gov. encouraging parents to vaccinate babies?
They aren't and never were at risk.

Nowadays the strain is very weak.

Dr Aseem Malhotra Cardiologist has a very compelling argument for young people being at risk from this vaccine.

Thank you Daisymae for raising this topic. Many wouldn't, for fear of being ridiculed and shut down.

The more we know the more autonomy we have.

That’s the point of the full fact that growstuff posted Namsnammy, to provide unbiased, accurate information.

An example of something claimed that isn’t a fact is your question

‘Why is the gov.encouraging parents to vaccinate babies?’

That isn’t happening. The vaccine has been approved for use in that age group, which is a different thing altogether. Here is the statement, which makes it clear what the position actually is.
www.gov.uk/government/news/pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine-authorised-for-use-in-infants-and-children-aged-6-months-to-4-years

M0nica

No one has said they never occur, but that they are rare and it is a risk worth taking because of the many lives they have saved.

But who is to decide if it is a risk worth taking?

Alot of the narrative around vaccines recently has put pressure on people to have the vaccine regardless of whether they know about or are cautious about possible side effects.

This is particularly true of children who cannot decide for themselves and are at very small risk from the actual disease.

Their low risk from covid makes the risk from the vaccine much higher on balance and yet we still go ahead with it.

In my view this is wrong and part of what others have called the "broken guardianship" of our children

My husband and I HAVE HAD OUR VAC, but I wouldn't encourage my AC to do so now.

I put it in caps so people wont come to the wrong conclusion that I am anti vacc.

Actually I don't like that label, as people who have no problems with other vaccines, but don't want to have this one, don't seem to be anti vaccines at all, to me.

Why is the gov. encouraging parents to vaccinate babies?
They aren't and never were at risk.

Nowadays the strain is very weak.

Dr Aseem Malhotra Cardiologist has a very compelling argument for young people being at risk from this vaccine.

Thank you Daisymae for raising this topic. Many wouldn't, for fear of being ridiculed and shut down.

The more we know the more autonomy we have.

No one has said they never occur, but that they are rare and it is a risk worth taking because of the many lives they have saved.

"Covid vaccines are safe and effective"

Are they really? So why has a friend of mine gone from being an active 60 something to needing 24 hour care after having a severe reaction to covid vaccine?

Such reactions are undoubtedly rare, but to suggest they do not happen at all is misleading and dangerous.

I just read the Daily Express article. I won't repeat what he was alleging. What a dangerous man he is, how is he an MP?

growstuff I wasn’t going to even bother with this post but thanks for some evidence to balance.

Thank you growstuff

This is a link to the FullFact check:

fullfact.org/health/Andrew-Bridgen-Covid-19-vaccines/

As far as I know, Andrew Bridgen has absolutely no expertise in vaccines.

Who does he think would fund and be responsible for research, if not the big pharmaceutical companies?

From the Leicestershire Live article:

"Full Fact, an independent fact-checking charity, said Mr Bridgen's claims about the mRNA vaccine and pregnant women were incorrect. Shadow health minister Andrew Gwynne also said: "This isn’t the first time that we've seen anti-vaccine misinformation parroted by Tory backbenchers. Anyone using their platform as an elected representative to spread these kind of baseless conspiracy theories should be ashamed of themselves.

"Vaccine hesitancy costs lives. Covid vaccines are safe and effective, and politicians should be doing everything they can to encourage uptake. Mr Bridgen needs to apologise and correct the record. And Rishi Sunak should get a grip of the conspiracy theorists in the Conservative Party."

Whenever I hear 'Big Pharma' I think about conspiracy theories from the US - converted into our culture. Still, I'm aware of the influence of commercial interests - and the possibility that vaccines may, indeed, have harmed a few people.

I'm just so grateful, though, that we all had access to them, grateful for the countless lives and suffering they saved. It's not likely that they were perfect for everyone - but can you imagine the scenario without them?

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicestershire-mp-calls-government-halt-7930913