Covid escaped from lab - US report finds

6 to1 and half a dozen to the other
No further proof all just theories

Manipulation, or nudge tactics are used by any group now.
Wayback is proof of how far the US will go.
No doubt we are using the same approach.
Btw, manipulation of the Mrna spike protein can not happen naturally, or so I read.
But if that information its self is suspect, perhaps someone can correct me?

I wouldn’t be making excuses for China, MaizieD.

I'm not making excuses for China, Witzend. I'm just saying that, particularly as far as Western medicine is concerned, the effect was exacerbated by a certain hubris.

I wish it were so BlueBell.
Unfortunately there is proof.

Yup. I held this opinion from day one. At which point GN was working itself into a froth about the evil that is wet markets (which are fresh veg & meat markets).

Viruses 'escaping' from laboratories is hardly the same as conspiracy theories about 'chips' in vaccines.

I certainly wouldn't lump them in the same category anyway.

We have been having plagues over the centuries Covid is the most recent for humans, avian flu is decimating birds currently

They spread much more quickly due to global travel, so unless you isolate the whole country quickly as Australia and NZ did you take your chances.

Who's talking about chips in vaccine's?

GagaJo

Yup. I held this opinion from day one. At which point GN was working itself into a froth about the evil that is wet markets (which are fresh veg & meat markets).

👍I remember

Namsnanny

Who's talking about chips in vaccine's?

Well no-one on here - but the idea has certainly been circulated among some of the anti-vaxxers.

I was simply pointing out to those who held that the virus 'escaped' from a laboratory and who've been accused of subscribing to conspiracy theories that it's not an irrational theory... that's all.

Sparklefizz

The western world is not as compliant towards authority.

Quite, Sparklefizz

I can't see people here putting up with being locked inside and boarded up into their homes by the authorities. That's from someone who has family in Wuhan, btw.

What happened is that China delayed the inevitable.

Were the Americans culpable too? They helped fund research in Wuhan laboratories.

Sorry Dickens, this is the problem with the written word, and the human brain. Well my brain anyway.

You have the word escaped in quotes.
Which has led me down a rabbit hole to ascribe which meaning to what word!

Namsnanny

Sorry Dickens, this is the problem with the written word, and the human brain. Well my brain anyway.

You have the word escaped in quotes.
Which has led me down a rabbit hole to ascribe which meaning to what word!

OK, sorry. I put escaped in quotes because how a virus gets out of a laboratory inadvertently is a tad hard for me to comprehend... leaked out, carried out?

Of course our brains all work in different ways. Mine probably doesn't work well a lot of the time!

Although we may think it confirms our suspicions that coronavirus did in fact leak from a Wuhan lab there doesn’t seem any more actual evidence that this was definitely so, or have I missed something?

I am no apologist for China, but from the reports that I have read the jury is still out on this one.
In the OP you add the findings of the report with a low confidence level.

I read an article in The New York Times because Times article is behind a paywall and not all agencies agree with the Energy Department report.

Dickens

Namsnanny

Sorry Dickens, this is the problem with the written word, and the human brain. Well my brain anyway.

You have the word escaped in quotes.
Which has led me down a rabbit hole to ascribe which meaning to what word!

OK, sorry. I put escaped in quotes because how a virus gets out of a laboratory inadvertently is a tad hard for me to comprehend... leaked out, carried out?

Of course our brains all work in different ways. Mine probably doesn't work well a lot of the time!

Hard for me to comprehend how it 'escaped' also.

Hard for me to comprehend how it 'escaped' also.
Human error?

It has happened before.

Callistemon21

^Hard for me to comprehend how it 'escaped' also.^
Human error?

It has happened before.

I'm trying to understand this, too. A virus needs a live host. Did. lab worker get infected and spread it around? Did someone spray live virus particles into a crowded space? Was an animal (rat? mouse?) a carrier to the outside world?

It just all seems a bit 'odd'..

if you want to conspire! there weare hundreds of tourists in china/ bunch came back early from thier cruises in nov2019.
woman in the laundery down the road she
coughed all over my friendand 2 days later we were sick but we nursed each other and stayed home lasted about 10 days and and seattle was sick fast many seniors.then died before the new year of 2020
we just new something was wrong stayed in our houses

I think that what we have to ask ourselves is - why has the USA chosen to bring this subject up at this point, when it has been accepted for a couple of years that this happened?

Well look at the worsening relations between the superpowers and I think you will find the answer.

Quite WWM2.

Wouldn’t be surprised WW. We don’t have a clue what’s going on politically beyond what they feed us, or is leaked. There’s that pesky word again

My actual opinion, and I speak as someone who has lived in, and loved, China, is that they were developing it as germ warfare. It massively backfired on them though.

GagaJo

My actual opinion, and I speak as someone who has lived in, and loved, China, is that they were developing it as germ warfare. It massively backfired on them though.

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Well it was successful in that case as it did kill millions worldwide! Not as intended no doubt.

Viruses get out of labs in many ways, about 20 yrs ago there was a Foot and Mouth disease outbreak traced to a leak in the drainage system at Pirbright. Thankfully contained to a small area.

Whatever the origin of Covid we are not going to get an unbiased account from the US.