Covid escaped from lab - US report finds

Sorry Dickens, this is the problem with the written word, and the human brain. Well my brain anyway.

You have the word escaped in quotes.
Which has led me down a rabbit hole to ascribe which meaning to what word!

Sparklefizz

The western world is not as compliant towards authority.

Quite, Sparklefizz

I can't see people here putting up with being locked inside and boarded up into their homes by the authorities. That's from someone who has family in Wuhan, btw.

What happened is that China delayed the inevitable.

Were the Americans culpable too? They helped fund research in Wuhan laboratories.

Namsnanny

Who's talking about chips in vaccine's?

Well no-one on here - but the idea has certainly been circulated among some of the anti-vaxxers.

I was simply pointing out to those who held that the virus 'escaped' from a laboratory and who've been accused of subscribing to conspiracy theories that it's not an irrational theory... that's all.

GagaJo

Yup. I held this opinion from day one. At which point GN was working itself into a froth about the evil that is wet markets (which are fresh veg & meat markets).

👍I remember

Who's talking about chips in vaccine's?

We have been having plagues over the centuries Covid is the most recent for humans, avian flu is decimating birds currently

They spread much more quickly due to global travel, so unless you isolate the whole country quickly as Australia and NZ did you take your chances.

Viruses 'escaping' from laboratories is hardly the same as conspiracy theories about 'chips' in vaccines.

I certainly wouldn't lump them in the same category anyway.

Yup. I held this opinion from day one. At which point GN was working itself into a froth about the evil that is wet markets (which are fresh veg & meat markets).

I wish it were so BlueBell.
Unfortunately there is proof.

I wouldn’t be making excuses for China, MaizieD.

I'm not making excuses for China, Witzend. I'm just saying that, particularly as far as Western medicine is concerned, the effect was exacerbated by a certain hubris.

Manipulation, or nudge tactics are used by any group now.
Wayback is proof of how far the US will go.
No doubt we are using the same approach.
Btw, manipulation of the Mrna spike protein can not happen naturally, or so I read.
But if that information its self is suspect, perhaps someone can correct me?

6 to1 and half a dozen to the other
No further proof all just theories

Although the West is culpable of working with the labs in Wuhan.

👍MerylStreep

Maybe if the WHO hadn’t been so far up Chinas backside the whole episode could have been handled differently.

It's still speculation, though. I want some evidence - but not much chance of that.

The US Energy Dept. is not the only US agency to pass an opinion. Most have said it was probably naturally occurring. Energy is in a small minority. I doubt we shall ever know and we need to be careful not to be manipulated by politicians like Trump with an axe to grind against China or any other country with bio labs.

Matt Ridley's book is a good read.
Plenty of people were called conspiracy theorist through out covid.
But even more were cancelled.

Ask those who had the audacity to talk about ivermectin.

The report is by the US Department of Energy. It's essential that the origins o the outbreak are found for all sorts of reasons, not least to prevent a repeat. Hundreds of death certificates a week mention Covid and thousands are incapacitated, possibly indefinitely. It's still an issue, whether we like it or not.

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-most-likely-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-says-us-energy-department-12821244
Nothing is certain except death and taxes.

Is anyone able to copy the link as behind paywall, please.

Don’t forget to drink the disinfectant Galaxy 😂

That’s not an excuse for any country but it’s really just more of an old story
I can’t read the link so don’t know if there’s new information or any kind of proof but I would doubt it

The western world is not as compliant towards authority.

maddyone

Maizie there was bound to be medical ignorance, it was a novel virus!

The far eastern countries managed very well because they had experience of similar diseases, SARS and MERS, and were accustomed to things like mask wearing. That's where the vainglory comes in, I think. We in the west tended to ignore them.

I don't think that the 'novel' excuse works. We're not entirely ignorant about airborne respiratory diseases...

It means it's a good idea to try not to be tribal, if trump pointed out the world was round I would agree, this doesnt mean I think he is right about other issues.