Joe Lycett

Further to issues of ‘blame’
Gary Neville has provided a very articulate and rather convincing argument of why he was involving himself with the Qatari commentary team.
I’ll see if I can find it.

Elton has been uncharacteristically quiet about all of this, hasn’t he?

Here it is
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11453405/World-Cup-Gary-Neville-detests-Qatar-rights-abuses-does-NOT-feel-conflicted-attending.html

snowberryZ

And I don't know who he is, as I refuse to worship at the alter of celebrity.
If we all stopped talking about and following 'celebrities' they'd soon disappear.

You don't have to worship at the alter of celebrity to know who famous people are. For one thing, how can you possibly have an opinion on issues like this one if you don't?

Not all celebrities are famous for being famous. That may apply to reality TV stars and the like, but both Beckham and Lycett are famous because of a talent that won't go away if we all stopped talking about them.

And thanks, HurdyGurdy. My pearls remain unclutched - I haven't finished my research yet, so look forward to following up your lead

Doodledog I thought that half the fun of celebrity was not liking them. As this thread proves

‘Celebrity’ trivia. Gary Neville’s dad is called Neville.
Neville Neville.
So good they named him twice

Seriously, if you know anything about JL you’d have known he’d done something decent with the money.

PaperMonster

Seriously, if you know anything about JL you’d have known he’d done something decent with the money.

Yes he has. And I suppose he has to understand that there are always going to be those who pride themselves on not knowing things, so what matters is that his stunt would endear him to those who do know of him and appreciate his way of doing things.

A few weeks ago he said something on Laura Kuenssberg that went straight over my head. I can't remember exactly what it was, but he was being satirical and I didn't 'get it'. I do know who he is and that he is (IMO) 'one of the good guys', so told my daughter indignantly that he'd said whatever it was. She rolled her eyes and put me right. That fascinating anecdote shows that he doesn't always get it right, but also that if the likes of me is left out of the loop it really doesn't matter.

Love him or hate him (and that applies to Beckham too) the bottom line is that people who might never have given a thought to the issue are now talking about the morality of making money from a cause that you are prepared to abandon when someone else offers you more. We might all have forgotten about it in a couple of weeks' time, but Lycett has made his point, and the AVE (advertising value equivalent) of a £10k spend has been excellent. DB will have to spend a lot more to get back the loss of PR that he has suffered.

Should celebrities have this responsibility? I don't know. If someone offered my £10m to do something legal but dishonourable, I can't say with any certainty that I wouldn't. It is easy to find ways to rationalise things like that. It should really be down to governments and FIFA to deal with this sort of thing, but they haven't. Also, the people mentioned in this debacle, (DB, Robin Williams and Elton John) are all well able to turn down the money and still live lives of massive luxury, and it's ironic that all of them have got a lot of their wealth from the pink pound. On balance, I think it's fair to think they should have turned it down, even if they'd done so with huge fanfare.

Robbie, not Robin, of course

Oh yes! I would swear I typed Robbie. Bloody autocorrect😡

Doodledog Sometimes I wonder if being really, really mega rich and continuing to be so utterly driven by the desire for even more money is a mental illness.
In fact, scrap that, I think that it is.

It must make you think very differently from ordinary people, that's for sure.

FannyCornforth

Doodledog I thought that half the fun of celebrity was not liking them. As this thread proves

Well, DB did play for the wrong team.
But we'll forgive him because he has 115 caps for England!

Joe? Amusing or irritating. The jury's out for me
He is quite endearing, like an annoying friend.

pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1594657603249897472/pu/img/iQIss3A2qL8p73qe?format=jpg&name=medium

Really hope this works. Joe Lycett explains.
IMO a very clever and principled man.

Damn the video doesn’t play

twitter.com/joelycett/status/1594657948525289473?s=20&t=HhzOZlaBJQryezL2ShVGlA

A National Treasure in the making Lucca
And I like his jacket too

Wondered what the reaction to this might be from those on this thread saying he was an idiot , attention seeking etc etc etc?

Gone very quiet,,,

maybe they are all Carol from the office but no one gets my Joe Lycett jokes

Just in case anyone's interested Joe Lycett is the subject of the Profile programme on Radio 4 at 5.40 this afternoon.

Lucca

Wondered what the reaction to this might be from those on this thread saying he was an idiot , attention seeking etc etc etc?

Oops I was one of those, in fact I was very rude and called him an 'absolute prat' when I believed he had shredded the money. Happy to say that I got that wrong

Lucca

Gone very quiet,,,

Well I was one who was upset at his perfectly legal position to shred £10,000. Lots of posters thought it was a reasonable thing for him to do with his own money, cheap at the price for the publicity it would generate. Joe now says he would never do something so irresponsible as to shred £10,000.........so who has gone quiet, his critics or his supporters? Seems Joe doesn't approve of shredding money rather than donate it to charity.

I was one of the ones who thought it was ‘reasonable’ (not actually reasonable, more like acceptable).
Obviously, Joe is a better man than I.
Is that okay?

When raising children the rule is that you keep your promises (unless outside events make it impossible)
If you say that once their bedrooms are acceptably tidy, we are all going for a MacDonalds, you don't then, after the rooms are fit for use, change your mind and tell them to weed the garden instead. Similarly, if you say "Do that once more and you get no pocket-money this week" and then hand it over even although they have repeated the banned behaviour again and again, you are setting the scene for them ignoring your wishes in the future - and not completely trusting your word for anything.

Joe Lycett partly carried through on his promise, but not entirely. Admirable to give the money to charity instead of shredding it, but it weakens the power of his protest, and his future ones.

And, incidentally, that is one of the reasons you never say to a child anything like what I once heard in a supermarket "If you do that again, Mummy won't love you any more" A child will either believe it and never be certain again of Mummy's love, or not believe it and never be certain that she can be believed on anything else. Plus, there is no way that Mummy can carry that out, unless she is a psychopath.

That is as well as the innate cruelty of threatening a child with such a drastic punishment for anything