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No milk ( or eggs) allowed diet?

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AlieOxon Wed 06-Jun-12 13:45:08

This one not for losing weight, but for colitis...anyone else here?

Granny23 Wed 06-Jun-12 13:49:30

Think Chinese (minus the Egg Noodles)

AlieOxon Wed 06-Jun-12 18:30:58

Some Chinese, anyway. Had chicken and mushroom, with plain rice...ok....but sweet and sour chicken didn't go too well....too much fat I think in the batter.
There are rice noodles, aren't there?

I'm experimenting with different milk substitutes, but can't stand alpro. Rice drink is ok for taste (none) but a bit thin.
Oat drink makes tea taste like porridge. The chocolate version isn't bad.

Making my own potato scones, for a bit of variety.

Ella46 Wed 06-Jun-12 18:51:16

Alie I can't drink dairy milk, but I've tried all the substitutes and although some are better than others, you do get used to the different tastes. I have to rotate three different ones.
Soya-is a plant hormone- gave me large painful lumps similar to boils! Also made me hot!
Rice- long life is watery but fresh (Waitrose) is much better.
Almond- good when you get used to taste.
Coconut-(not the kind you put in curry)-quite a bitter taste.
Oat-brand name Oatley- quite good.

Hope this helps. hmm

nanaej Wed 06-Jun-12 18:56:18

Hi..I try to stick to a dairy free diet..I use soya, almond or rice milk. I do this as I suffered from a variety of digestive symptoms. I also avoid eggs, wheat and yeast.

Since doing so very strictly for 3 months I can now consume small amounts of these foods without too much upset.

I could eat all meats, fruits and vegetables, rice, cous cous. I substituted milk /yog/butter with soya products, ryvita for bread or Waitrose does a wheat /yeast free bread.

Soya milk works well in all recipes I have tried it with and soya natural yog too works like milk based yog.

nanaej Wed 06-Jun-12 19:05:38

ella reading what you said about soya making you hot..I have just linked it with my experience..I thought I was revisiting the menopause with a vengeance even went to the docs and had a blood test! will now watch carefully and see if hot flushes coincide with weeks when I have more soya milk!

Ella46 Wed 06-Jun-12 19:11:42

nanaej when I was on a particular contraceptive pill (many moons ago) i got huge lumps on my face every month, and had acne treatment. Only on this pill for 6 months, came off it and the lumps started to improve. It was two years before they went completely!

When I was drinking quite a lot of soya milk, I got the same huge (painful) lumps but they were on my bottom! Sometimes it hurt to sit down! blush
So beware! grin

Mishap Wed 06-Jun-12 19:20:37

I have always disliked milk and eggs - we use oat milk - it has a lovely nutty taste on cereal. My GS is allergic to caseine, so it is good that we have milk that he can drink here. We drink redbush tea without milk, so do not face the problem of putting oat milk in tea.

I can tolerate small quantities of egg (e.g. in one slice of cake) but otherwise simply so not eat them; and do not miss them (or the associated squits!)

AlieOxon Wed 06-Jun-12 19:35:06

I knew there was a reason I don't like the soya! I still get flushes....
Took me along time to realise that everytime I ate eggs I had diarrhoea the next day. Seems a lot of things irritate when they get as far as the large bowel, where my problem is (ulcerative coliltis).

I also have to cut down on fibre, so my lovely granary bread is out too. Both Tescos and Sainsbury's have been helpful - (not an ad, just info) - and each has some bakery things without milk. No Waitrose within reach, I'm afraid.
Does goat milk have lactose too?

I'm making banana cake now. If I bake then I know what's in it!

Sbagran Wed 06-Jun-12 19:39:49

Alie don't know whether this will be of any help but I was advised to change from cows milk to goats milk re allergies. Goats milk tastes 'different' at first but I am so used to it now that ordinary cows milk tastes odd these days.
I was lucky enough to win a smoothie maker in a GN competition and it had a voucher for Oatly milk with it. Oatly is palatable but I agree it does make tea taste a bit 'porridgy'.
Red Bush tea is fine black which avoids the milk problem and has the bonus of being a bit of a detox.
Obviously you need to consider medical advice for your own condition but I wish you all the best in what I know to be such a tricky situation. Good luck!

AlieOxon Mon 11-Jun-12 17:39:38

I've just learned the hard way that I can't use lactose-free milk. I had it and found it was long-life so made some custard with it....been going all day, and binned the other half of the custard.
Does that mean it's the protein in the milk that's the problem?

Can you make custard with the other milk substitutes?

I've been reading about goats milk and I know it tastes ok, I learned on holiday once to milk a goat. Sounds possible.

Not sure about cheese yet. - Eating small amounts and using a scraping of Flora (buttery....).

Jacey Mon 11-Jun-12 18:10:47

I've avoided milk in any form and have got to like goats and ewes cheese and spread that is dairy free ...lots of choices for the later in supermarkets now. Good luck

Ella46 Mon 11-Jun-12 18:11:24

Alie I'm not sure that goats milk is lactose free, but you can certainly buy lac free milk in all the supermarkets.
I'm sure it will make custard, but Alpro make a soya custard which is quite good, in cartons.

jeni Mon 11-Jun-12 18:26:26

With me it's the egg yolk that makes me Ill! I now buy two chicks which is egg white only! Makes scrambled eggs and omelettes and wonderful(but fattening) meringues!
The omelettes are a bit wispy washy if plain but with cheese or smoked salmon, or mushrooms etc: theyre fine!

JessM Mon 11-Jun-12 18:31:42

There are at least 2 ways in which milk can "disagree"

1. milk proteins, which vary between animal species. Present in cheese, milk , yoghurt. Some people might tolerate goat proteins but not cow etc. Butter low protein so might be OK. Can cause food intolerance.
2. lactose - its a milk sugar and is likely to be the same chemically whichever animal milk you are talking about. In those who are truly lactose intolerant there is a lack of enzymes in the digestive tract and too much lactose arrives in the colon. This in turn makes the gut bacteria breed like crazy and causes bloating, wind etc.
In yoghurt the lactose is mostly changed to lactic acid - but the proteins are still the same. Same may apply in cheeses.
So it is complicated.
Nut, soya etc - not really milks at all. Read the labels I guess - any added lactose?
I guess it is trial and error really as to what suits and doesn't. But in your shoes I would cut out dairy, monitor effects and then try tiny quantities at a time. I would not risk introducing something new like soya milk into the picture as that might or might not suit your insides. Gives me wind.
Did you manage to get your head round that explanation of different kinds of fibre that I sent you?

Jacey Mon 11-Jun-12 19:03:20

Yes JessM ...that's what I had to do ...remove all dairy products from diet ... then tried non-dairy substitutes to find ones that didn't bring back the intolerance issues.

I was told that my body was reacting against the size of the fat molecules in dairy products hmm

AlieOxon Mon 11-Jun-12 20:17:31

Hi Jess. Sorry about delay in answering....I've had a bit of a heavy time this last week.
I've just gone back to your piece about fibre and realised that my problem is that it's the opposite emphasis to what I am doing - it's pro-eat-more-fibre when I am having to cut it down, which is why I wasn't taking it in when I read it before.

Bran I understand. It's rough.
Cellulose...I guess I am eating that in cooked vegetables? (Not eating raw veg.)
I don't understand about soluble fibre found in oats, fruit and veg, I think.

So - I am avoiding milk, eggs, rough fibre - beans, peas - also a lot of preservatives, and sodium glutamate. I'm cooking my veg well. I can't stand soya!

All the 'probiotics' seem to be milk!

Ella46 Mon 11-Jun-12 21:02:03

Alie You can buy probiotic tablets at health food shops I think.

nanaej Tue 12-Jun-12 20:13:50

I take 2x probiotics tablets a day which have helped

JessM Tue 12-Jun-12 22:18:31

yes you can get probiotics in pills - but do you need them? If its the fat - then does v. low fat yoghurt work for you? That's probiotic.

basically 3 types of fibre
1. rough stuff like bran, woody fibery stuff,
2. cellulose (like fybogel) - smooth goop that retains water and helps to soften stools. Melon would be a good source. Or other soft non seedy fruit, without the skin. Or lettuce.
3. other complex carbohydrates that are known as prebiotics or soluble fibre - oligosaccarides etc. These are the ones that feed your gut bacteria. Found in various vegetation. You can buy them in purified form.
It is a nuisance that the way they classify fibre is so unclear. ANd then you have the probiotic/prebiotic confusion as well!

Ella46 Wed 13-Jun-12 06:41:23

Jess Alie can't have milk, so no yoghourt.

JessM Wed 13-Jun-12 07:29:26

I was just checking cos she said it was the fat molecules in milk were the problem.

Ella46 Wed 13-Jun-12 07:58:31

Jess sorry smile

JessM Wed 13-Jun-12 08:42:11

no probs ella smile

AlieOxon Wed 13-Jun-12 08:44:43

Jess - Jacey said about fat molecules in milk. Re probiotics, I had three courses of antibiotics before the eventual diagnosis......messes up the flora, but then I am taking manuka honey now and that is supposed to help

I have just looked up fybogel (psyllium), as I didn't know what it was, and found this
"In one study of people with ulcerative colitis, psyllium was as effective as the prescription drug mesalamine (Pentasa, Rowasa, Asacol) in maintaining remission. (However, for some people with IBD, too much psyllium can make symptoms worse.)"
Yes I'm taking Pentasa now along with the prednisolone.