Women said we were genuine tonight.

Frank do you really think men who molest women do so in front of an audience?

You are unbelievable.

Elegran

As I have said before men in a leisure centre would be excluded if they started molesting women.
If there were say 4 men in a class and 1 started molesting the women I am sure the other 3 would intervene to stop it.
Also there are often 30 plus women in the class so I am sure their combined strength would overpower the men.
Complaints have been made by the odd woman who wants the men excluded from the class but they do not get any support from the majority of the women who find the mixed classes fun.

In a class I went to in London a lady started using the class like a ladies changing room and was a little upset when she noticed the 2 men.
When we noticed what was happening we went and had a chat with the instructor about something we were intending to mention at some time looking away from the woman who was undressed.

Frank

I have kept out of most of this, Frank, because I don't like going round in circles.

But if you were a man, 5 ft 2 and lightly built, without a lot of musculature, and had been brought up to be peaceful and non-aggressive, how would you take to being enlisted in a crack commando regiment, where everyone was over 6 ft tall, supremely fit, trained in personal combat and imbued with the belief that they were in control of everytning and everybody? And they were all gay and had been deprived of sexual contact for weeks?

Would you be a little bit uncomfortable at being alone with any one of them? Would you feel uncomfortable doing PE in your little shorts while the rest of them looked on? Would their admiration at your soft skin and graceful movements make you feel boxed-in?

Nelliemoser

As I have said before men who go to aerobics classes on more than a couple of occasions do treat the women with respect and do not go harassing women as they know they would be excluded from the class.

I do get a bit of banter from women who know I was rubbish at sport and they do get a bit back.

I must point out I was attacked once by a drunken woman just outside New Street Station.
She obviously did not know what she was doing as a police man was watching from about 5 yards away.
We were both pleased there was a cctv camera watching us at the time.
She was arrested mainly I think because she was swearing and being abusive to the officer.
He called for a woman officer who arrived very quick.
I was not bothered about the assault but she obviously had to be warned as it could have been a lot more serious if she had hit a child for example.

Frank

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HunterF
The trouble with your continued argument on woman only classes is the facts of the whole long history of sexual harassment of woman by men.
From receiving unwanted sexual comments, through groping, to indecent exposure and rape.

These are very good reasons why women feel uncomfortable doing keep fit etc when men are about. and want a man free space where they can feel safe.
I know it can work the other way, with men being harassed by women but most of these crimes are perpetrated by men.

It seem present in all parts of society.
www.independent.co.uk/student/student-life/we-must-do-more-to-fight-sexual-harassment-at-university-8556855.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2151169/Sexual-harrassment-time-high-40-women-say-inappropriately-touched-colleagues.html

As others have said If men persist in this behaviour women have a right to have places where they can feel safe and comfortable in situations such as keep fit and Yoga classes where they feel very vulnerable.

The problem is with some men's behaviour!

So you men out there, stop complaining; think hard about why women don't trust having you around in these places and do something about your collective male attitudes towards women. Fat chance of it ever happening though.

Goodness, dorsetpennt, why take it so seriously?

I think Frank is making a big fuss about nothing. He obviously has a huge selection of leisure centres within easy reach - and public transport to get there. Our nearest gym is 7 miles away and no bus. We have a travelling gym once a week in the Methodist hall (mixed) and classes in that new keep fit dance thing (mixed). Other than that - we go for long walks.

Quit whinging Frank!

Goundhog Day - boring, boring - trying to catch newcomers out with stupid threads that have been posted before - please someone stop this person - I don't believe a word he says and please newcomers take what he says with a massive piece of salt

Haven't we had virtually every word of this on a previous thread? It was hugely boring and unproductive then.

NfkDumpling

There are private gyms which are women only and I have been advised there are women only classes in Handsworth about 7 miles away.
Obviously women would have to drive to these classes or get a bus there.

Frank

NfkDumpling

As far as I am concerned Moslem women will have to arrange to go elsewhere.
Most of the classes at the centre I attend have had men in them for years and you can not suddenly penalise them because of their sex.
I suppose the centre could say that say 2 classes a week are for women only but this would not work for example one man is a nurse and works varying shifts.
At various points he goes to every class in the centre and has been doing so since the 70's.
He also goes to former women only classes.

Frank

Dare I bring up the religious factor here? What about Moslem women who are unable to attend mixed classes? Should they be penalised for their faith? (I expect this has been thoroughly investigated on a previous Frank Fread but I missed it)

It's all right if women who know each other do that Frank...

Strange incident at the Bums and Tums class tonight.
A lady smacked the bottom of a young lady in front of her while she was doing the cat stretch.
The nearest man was about 5 yards away.

Frank

Groundhog Day?

I'm sorry I asked I seem to have read this somewhere on quite a few other post's.

Florence56

All I am saying is classes can not be made ladies only without consideration to the men who have been attending these classes for years and for new men who want to join and if any expense is incurred as a result it must be paid by the ladies who want ladies only classes.

Frank

Hunterf

Oh dear I really do not understand your arguements - although I can appreciate you have very strong views about them and you are entitled to them, just as I am entitled to mine.

glammanana

Some ladies on Gransnet say men should be excluded from activities like Bums and Tums.
All I am saying is every member of the public has a right to attend these classes if they pay the appropriate fee or have a monthly pass to attend the leisure centre.
What I am saying is men should be charged less for their monthly pass if they are excluded from certain classes.
A few ladies have reasonably said they only use mixed classes so if this happens they should pay the same monthly rate as the men.
Really I think the only way ladies could have a ladies only class is either privately in places like Curves or by paying the full cost to the council for organising the facilities.
Where I live the existing leisure facilities are full so another building would have to be built at the expense of the ladies who require ladies only classes and I would not be surprised if the ladies who want this service would have to pay several thousand £'s up front each.

Frank

As it happens every man in the class I go to only has daughters / granddaughters.
One of the men has just had a grandson in the last week.

And this proves……?

Frank why should anyone on GN come up with any money for ladies only classes ?

Florence56

Nobody on Gransnet has come up with any money to allow for ladies only classes while allowing men to have the right to attend the same type of class.

Frank

What happened was he looked out on his back garden from his up stairs window a lot and he could not help seeing the children playing.
There were no allegations he had touched the children.
I know there were houses overlooking the school I went to where the girls played netball etc.
I hope no single men owned any of those houses. .

Frank

It sounds to me as though the man concerned has grounds for making a harassment claim if he's completely innocent.