Women said we were genuine tonight.

I used to do water aerobics and there was a man who used to come and watch us outside the window, ostensibly walking his dog.The third week, the instructress told us to all step, turn, jump and wave. He never came back.

A couple of times there were strange men at swimming clubs who would come and then not get into the water at all, just sit and watch at the side of the pool. It's creepy and makes you feel uncomfortable. They soon get spotted though, and staff notified.

That's perhaps one reason why some women might prefer "women only" swimming or aerobic sessions.

Hello, Yes female only classes for certain activities are always a good idea on so many levels. Its all very well saying that staff can winkle out the dodgy types but it means you have to keep an eye out for them, then talk about it to staff and go through the whole embarrassing thing of explaining your doubts etc etc. Far better to just have a couple of men free times. When, in the future !!!!!, men and women always treat each other with mutual respect, segregation need not be required However, there are still plenty of occassions at present where women and girls feel vunerable.

Ah Florence , you cannot have seen any of HunterF "s earlier posts !

We were trying to make the point in the previous thread HUNTERF that some men stare at women when they are doing yoga, particularly poses like the cat.

As a man, though, don't you ever find women wiggling their bottoms about right in front of you a bit 'unsettling'?

Florence56

As I have said before you can have your men free classes as long as it is at a private venue and men are not paying towards it.
There are basically 8 men who stick with aerobics at the centre I have been going to since 2004, 2 have been going since the 70's and the others joined in the 80's and 90's.
Counting time at my old centre I have been going since the 60's.
There is another man who has been coming for about 6 months and we have had a few who we suspect were just there to look at the women and a few who have joined other classes.
Just because they left to join other classes does not mean they were there just to look. Ladies try aerobic classes and they find it does not suit them and they join circuit training classes and the majority at the centre I go to are men. Probably we should have some women free circuit training classes.
We go to the front of the class and a lot of the women have said they find us fun as none of us were exactly the best at traditionally male sports.

Frank

Hunter56, your arguement does not make sense. If one goes to a class, one paysfor it. Why would anyone pay for a class they could not attend?

Florence56

1) The leisure centre is owned by the council and like most leisure centres it does make a loss which has to be made good out of the council tax.

2) I along with the other men pay for a monthly season ticket which covers all classes.

Up until last year there were women only classes but no men only classes.
We made a complaint and said that men should pay less as they did not have as many classes to attend and also have part of their council tax refunded.
A woman who was behind us then said if this happened she should have the option to pay the same rate as the men as she did not agree with women only classes and never attended them and also have part of her council tax refunded.
After a bit of time it was decided that all classes should be mixed.
We have asked for a refund for not being to use ladies only classes in the past but no money has been forthcoming so far.
A group of men are trying to get another ladies only class stopped at a nearby centre.
A survey has been done and none of the ladies there are bothered about letting men in to those classes.

Frank

janerowena

If the man was walking his dog in a public place he should not be stopped.
If it is a private building curtains could have been put across the windows.
Oddly enough I went to an aerobics class when I was in London and it did upset the women when some men kept on looking in to the class.
They did not object to the male members of the class and even after that session a couple of the women came up to us and said we were very welcome to be part of that class.

Frank

petallus

As it happens every man in the class I go to only has daughters / granddaughters.
One of the men has just had a grandson in the last week.

Frank

Florence56

Another thing I have thought of is how do you define dodgy types.
I can remember a complaint about a man looking out of his window which overlooked a nursery playground.
They thought it was dodgy that a single man was living in a large house in that position.
As it happened the man had been living in that house years before the nursery was built.
The parents wanted him to move elsewhere and he agreed to do so if £15,000 was raised to cover his removal expenses.
The parents were obviously not that concerned as no money was paid to him and he is still living there.

Frank

Have I not just read this last post on another thread?

The needle is stuck, Ariadne.

There we are

I make suggestions on how situations can be resolved reasonably and nothing gets done because people will not spend money on getting rid of people they think are dodgy.

Frank

But Frank you posted on the other thread that no offence had been committed by the single gentleman, yet the parents involved the police and a suggestion was made that he move house.
Either 1) he has commtted an offence and should be prosecuted, or 2) he has not committed an offence and those who are suggesting that he is unsavoury in some way, should be told to s*d off.

Paying him to move because of other people's suspicions is an inane suggestion

The response of the man was that he would move if he was paid £15,000.
Surely if the parents were that concerned for the children they could have raised £15,000 between them regardless of the legal position.
Obviously I am not saying the tax payer should pay.

Frank

Going back to the original subject no suggestion has been made on what is to be done for men who have been going to aerobics for years if the classes were made women only.
Possibly 7 classes could be ran per week at the normal price for men and the extra cost paid by the women only class attenders.
An extra building would have to be built as the centre is full.

Frank

It sounds to me as though the man concerned has grounds for making a harassment claim if he's completely innocent.

What happened was he looked out on his back garden from his up stairs window a lot and he could not help seeing the children playing.
There were no allegations he had touched the children.
I know there were houses overlooking the school I went to where the girls played netball etc.
I hope no single men owned any of those houses. .

Frank

Florence56

Nobody on Gransnet has come up with any money to allow for ladies only classes while allowing men to have the right to attend the same type of class.

Frank

Frank why should anyone on GN come up with any money for ladies only classes ?

As it happens every man in the class I go to only has daughters / granddaughters.
One of the men has just had a grandson in the last week.

And this proves……?

glammanana

Some ladies on Gransnet say men should be excluded from activities like Bums and Tums.
All I am saying is every member of the public has a right to attend these classes if they pay the appropriate fee or have a monthly pass to attend the leisure centre.
What I am saying is men should be charged less for their monthly pass if they are excluded from certain classes.
A few ladies have reasonably said they only use mixed classes so if this happens they should pay the same monthly rate as the men.
Really I think the only way ladies could have a ladies only class is either privately in places like Curves or by paying the full cost to the council for organising the facilities.
Where I live the existing leisure facilities are full so another building would have to be built at the expense of the ladies who require ladies only classes and I would not be surprised if the ladies who want this service would have to pay several thousand £'s up front each.

Frank