Can anyone help with appeal please?

Just trying to get my head around the timescales...so your dd was told last April there were places, having just moved to the new area in March?

None of my business I know but why was there such a long gap between moving and applying for the places?

I really feel for you actually-for 3 primaries to be full when you're living in catchment (presumably you are, being so close) is tough.

I think it's worth appealing, though. I'm assuming that the places are all currently taken, but that may change, and at least you're in a position to take up the places.

However it may prove even more complicated if the dgcs end up in different schools.

Fingers crossed. .

The law states that the authority MUST provide transport to the nearest school with places, provided it is over two miles away (for primary).

If there is any primary school within the catchment area of the secondary school, you really should try to get a place, even if the school isn't your preferred choice.

My fear is that you don't have a strong case. I know you don't feel that you've been treated fairly, but you can only win the appeal if you can prove that the school is the ONLY one which can provide the education your grandchild needs. The school is already up to its limit, so it has the upper hand in law. The appeal panel will not take any notice of the transport difficulties.

Fingers crossed for you, but, if I were in your shoes, I'd be considering an alternative secondary school and finding out how this would affect the place on the waiting list for the preferred school.

The problem is f77ms is that they have taken so long (8 months from house move and original application) that there were places but now there are none. We would be happy if LEA would provide transport which they are extremely reluctant --to pay for--do.

Secondary school within minutes walk from house but consistently full from feeder schools, then siblings. I spoke to the admissions secretary on Friday who said DGD had very little chance of getting in unless she got into a feeder (which is where we are at the moment with the appeals).

It wasn't exactly like that gettingonabit. I don't want to put all the details on a public forum but they (DS and DDiL) had very little choice about moving.

Also there are 3 primary schools within a 5-10-15 minute walk from their new house (two of which had places in December 2015 when they committed to move and one who had places in March this year when they physically moved). Now none have places (or so we are lead to believe as the figures from one school have changed so many times I have almost lost count).

So your daughter moved house knowing that the new school was oversubscribed?

If that IS the case (sorry if I've grabbed the wrong end of the stick btw) then the new LEA would probably say "tough luck, ddgillybob, it might have been a good idea to check out places before committing to a house move".

Head over to Mumsnet-lots of experience over there.

Good luck. . Sounds as though you're doing loads to help.

Was thst an ad, AnnaBell? Whether it is or not, it's a terrible idea. The point of schooling is to learn, not to pay for essays to be written for you. Are you in the UK.?

Forgive me but if the school is oversubscribed then what would be the point of appealing ? I presume they have a maximum class size and cannot go over this . I went to a school 8 miles away from 7 years old but went on the bus unaccompanied , the secondary school was also a similar distance. I wouldn`t think that transport difficulties as a reason would go down very well for the appeal. What was the reason for the move of 6 miles ?

So much is now expected of Grandparents !

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And the driver handed my son over to a member of staff every morning and collected him from reception in the afternoon. The school was aware of the arrangement.

I doubt if the appeals panel will accept transport arrangements as a reason for admission. I metioned it at my appeal - I was a single parent and had NOBODY to help me out. However, one of the appeals panel said to me that it sounded as though I wanted a nearer school for MY convenience. Horrible woman!

PS. I would go online and check the secondary school's admission policy. The secretary could be wrong.

My son went in a taxi every day when he was 8. The local authority organises it and the drivers are DBS checked. It was the same driver most days. It's absolutely fine.

Good luck though.

. I hope you've got it all written down somewhere.

. (all I can offer really)

Not quite jings I share with the other grandma (nana) and we take turns, also Great-nana does a day too . This means I do 2-3 days depending on the week. Other nana does 1-2 and great-nana does 1. Every third week DDiL (mum) does her mums 3 mornings (as she is on 2-10 shift) and I still do my 2 ( the children stay with me every Monday anyway so it makes no difference) . I know it sounds very complicated but we have a Sunday night text / rota system and it works okay. Other nana does have an awful lot of holidays mind you (lucky thing) so I pick up the extra days quite often.

The school they currently attend is nowhere near where I live it is within walking distance of their old house. If I did every day (heaven forbid) they could effectively stay in their current school as I have to drive there and back anyway as I work in another town.

It seems very unfair on you

Have I got this right gillybob. At the moment you are having to drive the six miles to their new home, collect them, and take them back the six miles to the school near you?

Is there no way one of the parents could bring them to your house before they go to work? Why are you having to do all the donkey work? And then perhaps mum or dad could collect them from yours later.

Sorry if I've got the picture completely wrong.

Thank you daphnedill I have read lots about the appeals process and it seems that it is almost impossible to exceed the class size for the younger ones. I would be very worried sending them to school in a taxi every day. The girls are in the junior part of the school and the little boy is in the infant side. Separate entrances and yards etc. I would worry myself sick. They are also very sporty children and attended after school football/gym classes which we can no longer manage.

It was the secretary of the primary who drew my attention to the fact that it would be a struggle to get eldest DGD into the comp if she did not get into one of the "feeder" schools daphnedill . I know it is going to be extremely hard to get 3 places in the primary but it will have to be 3 or we will be in a worse position than we currently are as I cannot be standing in 2 school yards miles apart at the same time.

And don't forget that if the school the children are currently attending is the nearest with places that the local authority is obliged to provide transport. This is what happened with my son. The authority had to pay for a return taxi fare for 7 miles every day. If the school your son wants the children to attend is a county school, the cost of the taxi might encourage them to pull a few strings to get him in. The school can exceed its PAN for the ones in Years 3 and 5, but is unlikely to do so for the youngest.

gillybob, As far as the secondary school is concerned, it might be worth checking the admissions criteria for the particular school. They do vary, but usually there's some kind of distance criterion, not just based on feeder primaries. If the eldest gets a place at the secondary, it will be easier for the younger ones, as there's usually priority for siblings.

Having said that, some schools operate back door selection policies, especially if they're faith schools - it really depends where you live. My own local school dropped a bombshell this year, because children from surrounding villages weren't offered places and will be bussed to a school further away. It doesn't have any 'feeder' primary schools - admissions are based on siblings, then distance.

Tell your son to ask where the eldest is on the waiting list for the primary. He might be lucky, as I was. My son only had to wait a term before somebody left and a place became available in the school we could see from our garden.

Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

I would very much appreciate that offer of help Teetime I have PM'd you.

gilly my DD did a fantastic appeal last year and won. She had advice from a barrister (she is the HR consultant in a large chambers) if you would like I can ask her for her letter and PM you with it.

gillybob-advice about appealing on here- www.ace-ed.org.uk/
Make sure you collect as much supporting information as you can and statements from anyone you have contact with who will say that the school is the best one for your GCs. It might help if you can say that the school run is becoming a problem for you. Good luck

Gillybob always a difficult situation when moving house. I think it is wise to go to appeal even though you think you are not likely to win.

Stick as strongly as possible to any impact on the children's learning and well being and minimise inconvenience (but still mention it!!);
e/g stressful start to the day having to be up so early to ensure arrival on time so ch. not in a relaxed mood for learning at school.

How close are the children to the "new" school? At least if they are quite close they will be nearer the top of the waiting list. You need to find out what happens if one child accepts a place will it put the other two higher up a waiting list because of the sibling link?

Good luck!

Gillybob it will only take a moment to join Mumsnet and they tend to be in the thick of it with appeals and what have you.

Thank you for taking the trouble to reply anno and Anya I really appreciate it.