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Teachers' pay rises

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Luckygirl Tue 23-Jul-19 08:46:09

As a school governor I get so cross when the government take credit for a pay rise when in fact schools have to find the bulk of this from their existing stretched budgets. There is to be a 2.75% "uplift" in pay scales in September - the teachers need and deserve this, that is not under debate. But the government is only going to fund 0.75% of this - schools have to find the other 2%. Schools have already set their budgets and made their plans on the basis of these.

It sickens me that the government seeks to look good and generous when in fact it is the children who will be paying for it in reduced resources. Grrr!

gillybob Tue 23-Jul-19 14:53:36

Oh I don’t know Callistemon you could be right , but until only a few years ago we were a 5 generation family and according to the children my grandma was “a very old lady” . So I’m half expecting a 99 year old to take over as head teacher . grin

Callistemon Tue 23-Jul-19 19:19:27

grin I do know one who did exactly what trisher said; none of mine were at the school but I know someone who worked there.
This HM had moved from a tiny school in a lovely area to a larger one and I asked my friend, a teacher, why he would do that and have all the stress when he was near retirement - she said 'to boost his pension, of course!'.
I can say no more about him on a public forum!

suziewoozie Tue 23-Jul-19 21:54:19

You make it sound as though it’s wrong to go for promotion. What’s wrong with part or whole of the motivation being an improved pension? Anyway I thought changes to pensions now mean that they are not final salary but average earnings so there’s less advantage in doing that.

Callistemon Tue 23-Jul-19 22:09:24

Of course it's not wrong if you have something to offer.

suziewoozie Wed 24-Jul-19 09:31:46

Well if you’re appointed to the job, it must be thought you have something to offer. People change jobs for a whole raft of reasons - it doesn’t always involve more money but sometimes it does, so what?

Callistemon Wed 24-Jul-19 09:40:25

My post was merely anecdotal suziewoozie and a tale about one person in reply to trisher's post as trisher has obviously experienced this, if rarely; it wasn't a general observation.

suziewoozie Wed 24-Jul-19 09:45:48

Anecdotes can be very misleading and not even necessarily based on fact but perception, Your post sounded very critical and also made it sound as though it happened a lot - by implication at least. As someone once said ‘the plural of anecdotes is not data’.

Iam64 Wed 24-Jul-19 09:59:27

It’s another occasion when Theresa May says the right thing and either doesn’t do it or doesn’t fund it. How are councils who have had budgets demolished to the extent many can’t meet statutory responsibilities, to pay wage increases?

Teachers on long term sick leave should not have to worry they’ll be dismissed before the end of their statutory sick leave. Stress levels are high as a result of government policies, many newly qualified teachers leave within five years. Some teachers work for agencies, higher wages maybe but no holiday or sick pay and, no long term commitment. If they aren’t happy in the school, they move on, it’s the same in nursing, social work for example.
We need a more constructive supportive culture for public servants, which the government can model. Just like the recent conservative governments have modelled scorn and disdain

Callistemon Wed 24-Jul-19 10:12:08

suziewoozie How can I do know one who did exactly what trisher said possibly be interpreted as saying it made it sound as though it happened a lot!!

Is perhaps English not your first language, in which case your interpretation of my post would be understandable?

It was one anecdote based on known fact.
Is that plain enough?

NannyJan53 Wed 24-Jul-19 10:23:08

My DD is a Deputy Head Teacher, and said only yesterday when I was at their house that the Govt is only funding 0.75% of this. She doesn't know how her school will be able to fund the remainder! There is no-one left there they can make redundant as running on the bare minimum for staff already.

Callistemon Wed 24-Jul-19 10:29:30

It was an empty gesture - easy for TM to make one when she's leaving office, leaving someone else to pick up the pieces. I'm surprised at her.