Your DGM must have been overjoyed to receive that letter GrandmaMoira. It's lovely to hear of a happy ending
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I hope it's OK to post this here. I'm sure Gransnet will move it if it's not but in view of all those estranged, cut off parents unable to understand why their adult children treat them like they do, this very well written post sums it up perfectly.
It was sent to me this morning. Obviously some AC have no choice but to keep their distance from abusive parents, we understand this. But this NC approach being liberally recommended is a highly destructive trend ruining many lives.
' I am in the position that my estranged daughter is treating me like I'm toxic when I feel it's the other way around. We've been studying this for awhile now. Why are there so many adult children cutting off their families. These are things that we came up with. Something interesting: we've all noticed how our EC all do the same mean stuff and say the same mean things. It's like they're reading a script or like they all joined the same cult.
I have news for you. They are all reading a script. They did join the same cult.
What they are doing is called "Going No Contact". It's literally a scripted plan that they follow. It starts when they judge us as not just humans with whom they disagree, but "evil" because we don't see things their way. They complain online, and meet other complaining children who honestly believe, thanks to the self-esteem movement, that any time they were uncomfortable for a moment equals abuse. If their parents disagreed with them or made them do something that they didn't like or whacked their fresh asses when they talked back or refused to follow rules, they add this to their pile of justification. Lacking coping skills, they believe that anytime they are not happy, they have been wronged, and the person who dared to 'make' them feel bad is a Narcissist.
A Narcissist to them is what 'possessed' meant to our parents. The Narcissist is pure evil and a force to be feared and hated. They all bolster one another's justification of their interpretation of who we are. They swap war stories that are positively ridiculous, such as stories of the "evil narcissistic mother in law who wore a different dress than agreed upon to the wedding" or the "evil, narcissistic mother who took away all of their toys until their chores were done". I've seen both of those in these groups.
After justifying to themselves that they are RIGHT and their parents are EVIL NARCISSISTS, they begin plans to "Go No Contact". It is a systematic plan to discard the parents/grandparent, and turn the kids against grandparents. There are actual steps to this plan. They vary from group to group, but they are essentially all similar.
The groups talk a lot about setting boundaries, but what they call setting boundaries is just rude dictating, and setting their targets up to fail. Stuff like "I told my mother that she can come over between 12 and 1 on Sundays only. If she is one minute early or stays one minute late, that will be the end of her visits." Part of the plan is to NOT tell mother what she did wrong, just to enact the "consequence". They know that the targeted parent will try to rectify the situation. They react in a way that is illogical: refusing to answer questions, insisting that any apology is a manipulative lie and therefore is insincere, ordering parent out of their house, putting parents in that time out thing where they tell us not to contact them for a certain length of time, and then they will "review our request".
They post joyful stories of their parents reaction to losing grandkids or their parents pleas for an explanation. They cheer each other on and congratulate one another for cutting family off. Refusing to give any explanation is part of the plan. They call it Taking Your Power Back.
They claim that it's to protect themselves from the evil narcissists who are terrorizing them, but in reality, it's not about protection or healing. It's about power, control, and just being shitty. They don't know the difference between assertive and aggressive, and they think being arbitrary is the same as having boundaries.
Google "Going No Contact". You will find pages and pages of groups and instructions that will not surprisingly match exactly what our kids are doing.
I think this information can be very helpful. We can learn what they want us to do, so we can do the opposite.
I strongly urge every single person here to read up on "Going No Contact". It's like a map to navigate this territory. It even gets amusing sometimes, reading the steps and thinking "You're such a lemming". Who the hell would follow this crap.
They would, that's who'
Your DGM must have been overjoyed to receive that letter GrandmaMoira. It's lovely to hear of a happy ending
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Smileless - I'm sure she must. My DGM died when staying with us so at least she died close to her daughter.
My DM died many years ago and she had no siblings so I can't find out much.
I'm sorry but if your adult child makes the very difficult decision to go no contact with you then there's got to be a reason why. It's not 'cult' thinking...the chances are you've done something, or a series of somethings, to seriously offend or hurt them.
In these sorts of situations therapy is useful as the therapist can act as a mirror to your behavior and this can be enlightening.
I think in modern society, relationships are a two way street and both parties need to be prepared to compromise.
I agree kitkat that therapy can be useful in cases where the P's have "done something, or a series of somethings, to seriously offend or hurt" the AC. It would be just as useful in cases where the P's haven't done anything to result in their AC going no contact.
You cannot compromise with someone who refuses to engage. That isn't a two way street, it's a one way street.
So, lets say the estrangement is completely the AC's issue...the parents were perfect, never had issues with boundaries, treated their child with the respect they demanded for themselves, didn't show favoritism between the siblings, didn't triangulate and pit family members against each other, didn't scapegoat, listened, validated, apologized when wrong, didn't minimize and project...and the child still estranged.
Would there be grace offered to them, and a kind reason allowed for their absence, since they were obviously dealing with a serious struggle of their own?
Would you (the general you) speak of them in ways that made it easy for them to come home if and when they were able and felt ready to?
well no, because if they have genuine issues (sometimes mental health makes people push away those they love, sometimes abuse isolates) then its going to be really really hard to reach out and reconnect!
A friend did this to me recently. Told me that she hadnt been in touch due to mental health issues. It was REALLY hard for her and REALLY brave to set about un burning her bridges.
Making that step "back" is hard enough, but if the parents of the AC belittle the ACs NC exoerience as sheepish millenial behaviour....well... they might just not feel able to open up!
I don't know Soontobe, perhaps if they'd just left but it's not as simple when the EC has lied in order to justify their estrangement and even more difficult when they, together with their partner, went all out to come between you and their sibling.
A few years ago our DS said he had something to tell me that he never wanted me to forget. He said he wasn't like his brother and would never do what he has done.
I told him there'd been a time when we thought we'd lose him too and he said "I know mum, I know".
Didnt your NC son say the same?
and he probably hoped it to be true at the time!
Everything seems acceptable for Grans here, and not for DILs/SILs. There's another post about a gran blocking her daughter's texts and calls. But no one there is accusing her of being unreasonable and borderline abusive for exercising a little NC. And every conversation here wants to revolve around the mythical perfect grandmother. "What about the perfect parents? What if it's not my fault in any way? What if it's solely the AC's fault?"
It really is time to start considering that all of us have made mistakes and hurt our children in some way, especially if they have decided that no contact makes them happier and healthier.
it's like rifts over elderly parents care or probate!
A sadly common cause of irrepairable rifts, and not uncommon amongst babyboomer siblings
would a poster going through that be told they were being silly brainwashed sheep who were just following a trend and probably just copying something they read on GN?
OF COURSE NOT
But a MILLENIUM who finds a relationship to hurtful to continue is a brainwashed internet generation throw away society sheep right?
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GranfromDownUnder, I agree...pretty disheartening that empathy is for one side alone. These are our children, or the children of other mothers we are talking about...I'd be brokenhearted if my kids ILs spoke of them like this! 
Smileless, Yes, I did like GranFromDownUnder's notion that there are 2 sides to every story. I have been clear in my thoughts. My DDs DHs have estranged to their families. I can see what happened and I do not believe it to be one sided. I also think it could all end when my GC grow up and do for themselves after uni.
I hope that's the case Norah that when your GC are older there'll be some reconciliation.
Did anyone see the two page article in the Daily Mail yesterday about a grandmother who hasn't seen her grandchildren for years. Hopefully in her case I hope the grandchildren will have loving recollections of their grandparents and seek them out. If my mother had done that to me I would have found it difficult to forgive, but she wouldn't have, she was the opposite of that and put us first .I read the article and it made me cry the unfairness of it. How on earth do we remain sane going through this pain year after year?
"How on earth do we remain sane going through this pain year after year" Maybe we're not sane any longer Luckylegs but we just don't realise it
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Seriously though, what perhaps what keeps us sane is the fact that we know we did our best and don't deserve to be treated this way. We think in the beginning of our estrangements that it will drive us mad but thank God it doesn't.
Living with the loss of your AC because they've cut you out and therefore living without GC too is just too painful to express but I'd rather live with that than the knowledge that I treated my parents in such way who never did anything to deserve it.
[quote]but I'd rather live with that than the knowledge that I treated my parents in such way who never did anything to deserve it.[/quote]
I am sure there are some families that lose their children to drugs or something else just as devastating, but I just can't help but wonder how those that have gone NC for other reasons feel? Maybe they are devastated that nothing they tried to discuss or make boundaries over were treated respectfully and were made to feel they didn't deserve their own space, lives or well being? Maybe the ache of NC is better for them to live with than the agony of being made to feel like a possession, not an autonomous person...
Maybe there's a brainwashing some are trying to escape from as in the case of my friend, whose counselor told her that her parents had warped how she sees herself and that she'd the lowest self-esteem of any person he'd ever counseled?
Yes soontobe but the examples you've given have nothing to do with the section of my post that you quoted. I was referring to the AC who've cut out their parents who don't deserve to be cut out.
They exist believe you me; we're 2 of them and there are many more.
Soontobe
Personally, I would question the professionalism of a counsellor who told anyone that they had ‘the lowest self esteem of anyone he had ever counselled.’
Me too Fairydoll. The role of a counsellor is to listen to their client, to allow them to talk until for eg they can identify the cause of their anxiety and continue to listen while their client begins to identify possible resolutions.
How would telling this lady that her vision of herself has been warped by her parents and she has the lowest self esteem ever seen by said counsellor, help her?
It’s not a counsellors job to pass judgement or give opinions on people who are in their clients life. Nor in fact on the client themselves. An experienced, qualified therapist will guide their client in a skilful, often repetitive way, to empower them to reach their own conclusions and thus be fully able to make the best choices for themselves. Being directive and telling a client what they are feeling or how someone is affecting them, is just one more person making choices for them, and does nothing to empower them.
Speaking as a therapist soontobe, your friend’s Counsellor should be reported to the BACP. That is if this actually happened. I’ve known of clients who found the process too hard to accept or continue, so they create a scenario that allowed them to live with denial.
"Being directive and telling a client what they are feeling or how someone is affecting them, is just one more person making choices for them, and does nothing to empower them".
sounds a bit like brainwashing doesn't it IrishRose.
It does indeed Smiley - I’m calling you that now cos I think you smile a lot more than you used to! I’m smiling too cos I’ve got a lovely tan, having taken root on my sun lounger!
Yes you're right IrishRose I do smile a lot more than I used too. Please to hear that taking root on your sun lounger has paid off
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