Hope For Estranged Grandparents

Especially when the other apples are all staying in the basket and not kicking the rotter out.

That's why No Contact is "getting out of the basket"... It avoids the "rot" and their enablers...

Yes, providing it isn't the person going no contact, or the person they are being manipulated by who is the bad apple. In that case the rot goes with them.

Yes.
It's incredibly complex, isn't it?

It certainly is MissA

Yes... But if the "rot" goes out of the basket then by that logic, the basket is 'free' and shouldn't complain because the "rot" is gone. The basket should be happy to be free of their 'rotten fruit'...

Yes, but it does mean the rot is going elsewhere, to other defenceless apples.
(Can't believe I'm having this conversation! )

I guess it depends on which of the fruit is actually "rotten"... The 'defenseless apples' have societal protections in place to help ensure if "rotten fruit" rolls away, they still are held accountable to grow their fruit in a healthy manner. The 'defenseless apples' are not alone in the world just because they are not in the same basket that their parents came from...

It's like 'Gardeners World'

Don't often see rotten apples on 'Gardeners World' MissA, wouldn't look good.

The basket should be happy to be free of their 'rotten' fruit you'd think so but there are a lot of unhappy EP's and EAC out there.

No apple is rotten before it's formed-

The three little kittens were scolded for losing the mittens they were given and told they couldn't have pie-

Translated:

I'm giving you life dependent upon my expectation and punishable by my idea of love-

No apple is rotten before it's formed that's quite true. It can become infected with rot because of other 'rotten' apples or from an outside source like maggots, which I think Chewbacca mentioned previously on this thread.

Don't understand how you came to that translation rosecarmel!

May I remind everyone that parents don't have any 'rights' in the UK, they have 'responsibilities'. It is the children who have the 'rights'

If we are talking about apples shall we also remember 'the apple doesn't fall far from the tree' Effectively, if you show certain behaviours to your children they will probably behave the same.

nonnie ...9.54/9.56 voice of reason. But will you be considered a bad apple in the context of this thread, which is very like being in something dreamt up by Kafka or Lewis Carroll!
Off with their heads!!

That's quite true Nonnie. One of the ways we teach our children is by example and we need to be mindful of not expecting them to do what we say and not what we do.

Namsnanny The Queen of Hearts whose name and behaviour are at odds with one another.

Smileless -- I agree -- "One of the ways we teach our children is by example and we need to be mindful of not expecting them to do what we say and not what we do."

You can't expect children to "do as you say" while you are not 'doing' that/those things yourself.

Smileless2012

*No apple is rotten before it's formed* that's quite true. It can become infected with rot because of other 'rotten' apples or from an outside source like maggots, which I think Chewbacca mentioned previously on this thread.

Don't understand how you came to that translation rosecarmel!

Parents are the initial outside source- If mom happily had sex with Johnny Apple maggot, chances are mom had problems- And the beautiful little Apple they had will also attract maggots-

Parents claim that they aren't that type of apple, they're bananas-

That's what I said HolyHannah

chances are ...... yes that's quite possible rosecarmel but mom could happily have had sex Johny Apple No Maggot, and the beautiful apple they had could be the first from that apple 'family' to attract maggots.

Is it me, or are there more maggots around than previously?

Maybe it has something to do with the weather Pantglas

Smileless2012

That's what I said HolyHannah

chances are ...... yes that's quite possible rosecarmel but mom could happily have had sex Johny Apple No Maggot, and the beautiful apple they had could be the first from that apple 'family' to attract maggots.

Smileless, you're describing a fairytale-

Pantglas2

Is it me, or are there more maggots around than previously?

Are you talking to that mirror on the wall again, asking if you're the fairest of them all?

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