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Estrangement

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Namsnanny Sun 10-Oct-21 13:04:09

Bluefox I read this and it made sense to me.
If you want to change the world (including yourself or others), go home and love your family

Sounds as if you've done a good job there already. So do as advised by others and take pleasure in them and leave your brother to the past.
flowers

Namsnanny Sun 10-Oct-21 12:55:52

Hetty58

I can't see who all the random replies and 'thank yous' above are meant for, Bluefox - but we've seen similar before, haven't we?

Also, depressingly familiar is the lack of basic facts/information that make a reply rather difficult.

If your father changed his will, surely you'd know who benefitted from that?

Bit of a daft reply. Read the op

Bluefox Sun 10-Oct-21 12:40:44

I’m sorry Hetty if I haven’t understood the way things are done here. I thought my post was long enough and that the basic information was contained. I do of course know where the rest of my dads money went, I just thought that the fact that I declined it was the only thing of relevance.

Bluefox Sun 10-Oct-21 12:37:16

Thank you,
It helps a little bit to know it’s not just me.

Elless Sun 10-Oct-21 10:11:38

Hope you get some reassurance from these replies Bluefox. I am also estranged from my brother after losing my Mum 16 years ago. I naively trusted him after Mum passed even though my Husband saw through him and kept warning me to be careful. He was my only sibling and I don't know if he is dead or alive now but am still shocked at the way he behaved 16 years later.

Chewbacca Sun 10-Oct-21 07:29:27

A bit rude there Hetty? OP did explain the problem in her opening post and I think her "thank you" replies were to those posters who responded. I think Bluefox might be a new poster and unfamiliar with the site so it would probably be kind to cut her a bit of slack?

Lauren59 Sun 10-Oct-21 04:51:34

Plenty of basic facts and information in the OP, I believe. The point is that the daughter did not benefit from the changing of beneficiaries therefore could not appear (to her brother) to have influenced her father to change his will to her benefit.

Hetty58 Sun 10-Oct-21 03:34:19

I can't see who all the random replies and 'thank yous' above are meant for, Bluefox - but we've seen similar before, haven't we?

Also, depressingly familiar is the lack of basic facts/information that make a reply rather difficult.

If your father changed his will, surely you'd know who benefitted from that?

Bluefox Sun 10-Oct-21 00:14:13

Thank you.

Bluefox Sun 10-Oct-21 00:13:03

Yes my brother is my only sibling and we were (I thought) extremely close. I think our experiences are probably very alike. Maybe, in honesty really I don’t want to find acceptance of losing him. I want my brother to love me as I do him.

Bluefox Sun 10-Oct-21 00:08:18

Yes, I probably did lose my brother years ago. This fact is terribly difficult for me to accept. My father offered me more money when he decided to change his will but I told him I did not want it and I did not receive another penny.
Yes I do have two wonderful boys (men) and their amazing families. I am truly blessed and this is what I concentrate on.
Thank you

Bluefox Sun 10-Oct-21 00:03:04

Thank you

Bluefox Sun 10-Oct-21 00:02:23

Thank you, I will try.

Bluefox Sun 10-Oct-21 00:01:14

Grandmafrench

I am so sad to read what you have written, Bluefox and very sad for you - that you feel like you do.

I don't think you've said how long ago you lost your Father and it's likely that you're still grieving from the loss of both of your parents, especially with the additional struggle you have had for the longest of times with your brother.

I really can't see from anything you have written that your brother deserves a second thought from you - sister or not. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but if you read what you have said from the point of you of describing someone's character or the way that they have behaved towards their own parents, I'm sure you would see that your brother is truly not a nice person. You've not been able to say a single nice or positive thing about him.

He was the golden child, you say. Maybe he was, maybe he was spoilt, maybe your parents let him know that he could do no wrong and he repaid them by doing everything he could to make their lives worse and being as selfish and heartless and thoughtless as he possibly could in their last years. You, on the other hand, can look at yourself in the mirror every day and know that you gave them all the care and concern and interest that you could. That you gave their lives in their final years your best shot, even though as you say, it put a strain on your own marriage.

From the few instances you have described, your brother was callous in his dealings with both your parents, has behaved appallingly and yet you spend so much time in agony thinking about him. Why? Why waste your precious time grieving for someone who doesn't deserve another thought and clearly thinks very little of you. He has chosen to estrange himself - so be it. It might help you to feel more positive and find the peace you deserve by speaking to a trained Counsellor - maybe even a bereavement counsellor - because you have suffered the loss of your entire family. It's time to try to turn your thoughts towards yourself, your Husband, your marriage, your plans for the future. Don't waste another moment - life is precious and wasting time on someone who has deliberately alienated himself from you is very unhealthy and you deserve so much better.
I send good wishes and really hope that you find the happiness and peace you crave.

Thank you so much for your lengthy response.
My account is one sided of course, no doubt my brother would paint a different picture. I see I have not said one good thing about him and that is perhaps more of a reflection of me than him. For the record I believe he’s a good person who’s done bad things. I know that my father’s choices will have hurt him and that is difficult for me to deal with. I love my brother deeply and I always have, always will. My dad felt horribly let down by him and that continues to be a pain to me.
I did see a councillor when my brother was causing dad and I most pain and he told me at the time I was close to a complete breakdown. Probably you are right and I should seek further help. I find it incomprehensible that I will ever feel able to accept never seeing my brother again.

VioletSky Fri 08-Oct-21 09:19:07

Bluefox I think you would benefit from some counselling. Honestly your brother doesn't sound very nice, you have experienced the grief of losing both parents and I think that is adding to this feeling that you have lost your brother too.

Concentrate on those who love and care for you, whatever he thinks of you over money, it's not the truth and not your burden to carry

Smileless2012 Fri 08-Oct-21 09:14:51

I'm so sorry Bluefox an understand how you feel as I'm no longer in contact with my brother, my only sibling.

He instigated our separation but I'm content for it to be this way. We were extremely close but I saw in him over the last 15 years, things that shocked me, he did and said things I'd never have thought him capable of. Perhaps it's been like that for you too.

You've lost both parents and your brother and I think Grandmafrench is right in that you're still going through the grieving process of losing your parents.

Do give some thought about bereavement counselling. Estrangement is often referred too as a living bereavement so I'm sure that you would benefit from this.

It's so hard when someone you love doesn't want you to be a part of their lives, so you need to let them go. It takes time but once you do, once you accept that the relationship is over, you begin to heal from the pain of the loss.

Concentrate on those you love who love you in return, and take comfort in the knowledge of all that you did for your mum and dad.

flowers

HolySox Fri 08-Oct-21 08:54:14

Agree with Grandmafresh as well.

Maybe add:
1. You haven't lost your entire family. You have a family with your (long suffering) husband (and children?)
2. Don't know the details but sounds like the 'extra' your dad gave you probably reflected the savings made by not putting him in a care home. Your brother hasn't lost out finacially.
3. On reflection, did you 'lose' your brother some years ago? Sounds like his relationship with the rest of the family hasn't been good for years.

Sorry for your loss.

welbeck Fri 08-Oct-21 00:58:36

agree with above comments.

nanna8 Fri 08-Oct-21 00:11:13

I can’t add anything to what Grandmafrench says but I agree with every word. Move on from your brother, he is not worthy of your grief. If he makes an overture in the future accept it but otherwise you just live your life and concentrate on your immediate family.

Grandmafrench Fri 08-Oct-21 00:02:48

I am so sad to read what you have written, Bluefox and very sad for you - that you feel like you do.

I don't think you've said how long ago you lost your Father and it's likely that you're still grieving from the loss of both of your parents, especially with the additional struggle you have had for the longest of times with your brother.

I really can't see from anything you have written that your brother deserves a second thought from you - sister or not. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but if you read what you have said from the point of you of describing someone's character or the way that they have behaved towards their own parents, I'm sure you would see that your brother is truly not a nice person. You've not been able to say a single nice or positive thing about him.

He was the golden child, you say. Maybe he was, maybe he was spoilt, maybe your parents let him know that he could do no wrong and he repaid them by doing everything he could to make their lives worse and being as selfish and heartless and thoughtless as he possibly could in their last years. You, on the other hand, can look at yourself in the mirror every day and know that you gave them all the care and concern and interest that you could. That you gave their lives in their final years your best shot, even though as you say, it put a strain on your own marriage.

From the few instances you have described, your brother was callous in his dealings with both your parents, has behaved appallingly and yet you spend so much time in agony thinking about him. Why? Why waste your precious time grieving for someone who doesn't deserve another thought and clearly thinks very little of you. He has chosen to estrange himself - so be it. It might help you to feel more positive and find the peace you deserve by speaking to a trained Counsellor - maybe even a bereavement counsellor - because you have suffered the loss of your entire family. It's time to try to turn your thoughts towards yourself, your Husband, your marriage, your plans for the future. Don't waste another moment - life is precious and wasting time on someone who has deliberately alienated himself from you is very unhealthy and you deserve so much better.
I send good wishes and really hope that you find the happiness and peace you crave.

Bluefox Thu 07-Oct-21 23:24:12

I don’t know how I can compact this situation but I will try.
My brother is 11 years older than me. He was always the golden boy.
He lived 2 minutes drive from my parents, I lived 15.
He made a big thing of never being available to take them to family events so we always did it.
My parents got old and ill. My brother and his wife and children (adults) didn’t want to help.
My mum suffered and died from dementia. When she was alive my brother and his wife were not understanding of her condition at all and got cross with her on a few occasions when she wasn’t my mum but her illness. My brother and his wife kept attempting to get me to use our POA to put my parents in a home. I would not agree because I knew it was not what they wanted and in any case they were able to determine their own fate.
I shan’t bore you with all the things my brother did which I found unacceptable in regard to my parents but my mum died and my dad was in rehab attempting to recover from a brain tumour my brother went through all his papers to ascertain his wealth and opened and read my parents will.
My brother wanted my father to either go in a home or have carers in his own home for 1/2 an hour 4 times a day. Dad couldn’t face living in the home he’d shared with mum and we couldn’t see him with only 2 hours of contact a day so
we took my dad in to our home and he stayed with us for 3 years until he died. It was very hard work and a strain on my marriage.
During his time with us my dad had little contact with my brother and none with my brother’s children. He decided to change his will. I told him I did not want to benefit from this and I did not.
My brother moved, he did not tell me but he did tell the solicitor who handled the estate that she must not give me his new address.
I lost my entire family.
I love my brother, I always have and I’m sure he blames me for the reduction in the inheritance to which he felt entitled although he did still receive a substantial amount.
I don’t think I will ever have contact with him again. I don’t expect I would even be told if he died.
I spend so much time in agony thinking about him. How can I find peace?