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Narcissists are boring

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VioletSky Sat 24-Sep-22 15:36:04

annodomini

I don't think I've ever known a narcissist, though I can think of one who might have qualified - I stopped seeing her when I discovered she was interested only in herself and her children. My question is: what makes a narcissist? Are they born that way, or is there something in their upbringing that ensures they think only of their own importance?

I'm not sure that has ever been discovered with certainty. They don't very often seek help so the picture isn't clear.

The research that has been done has pointed to a lot of different possible factors.

With my mother, I know she had a bad childhood. She describes her Dad as extremely verbally abusive and her mother as vain and neglectful. Her dad had a small amount of fame and money. He saw himself as powerful, he was an alcoholic, he eventually lost it it all. Her mother was appearance obsessed and favoured her brother.

My mother was never famous or powerful and never had money. She was much more sly and hidden in her approach.

She knows her childhood was not good because she will describe how hurt she was by it but in the next breath she defends it and says she would never have estranged and could never be as cruel as me.

She lost a lot of relationships early on because she is a jealous and controlling. The only relationship that worked was with my stepfather who is the same and they, sort of cancel each other out.

I think after she lost so many people, she learned to keep that side of herself hidden and first my stepbrother became her emotional punchbag and scapegoat and then when she drove him away, she turned on me. She needed in outlet so that she could maintain a facade to others. She perpetually plays victim and pretends vulnerability, illness and inability to understand or do things she can actually do very well. The same person who didn't understand Facebook while we were in a relationship (a cover for her faux pars on social media) has set up several different accounts to stalk me on literally every social platform available. She still periodically falls out with people and once they see through her they are often done for good. Yet she is also very good at making friends.

I don't know why I didn't take the same path. Given that she has been telling me I am worthless since I was small and accusing me of being all the things she is herself, maybe it would have been easy for me to just be that person she said I was.

I have seen a therapist and told him I'm crazy and a terrible person when she drove me ro breakdown but he reassured me I am not and that the problem is her.

And it's hard not to accept that is the truth. All my other relationships are healthy. The only people I struggle with are the ones like her.

What I did have growing up was a good father and exposure to positive healthy relationships. So perhaps that is what saved me. Or perhaps I am missing some genetic component. I just don't know.

Somewhere somehow, I have a resilience that fights her perceptions of me and that resilience is what saved me. I think that came from somewhere.

Because I think maybe abusing, gaslighting and manipulating people to get what they want in life is actually the easy option. And once they choose that path, and start lying to cover their behaviour it is incredibly difficult to stop and it just snowballs because they will do anything to avoid feeling guilt or shame for their behaviour.

Always be wary of people who try to tell you who you are.

Hithere Sat 24-Sep-22 15:16:22

I agree once you see the pattern, it becomes so obvious

Chestnut Sat 24-Sep-22 15:09:44

Being predictable is good. It means you can easily work out to handle them, how to react to them and how to annoy them.

However, we had a sociopath living nearby and she was virtually the same. Add to your list 'playing the victim' where she would turn her victims into the aggressor and make out she was their victim, even to the Police!

So how do you identify whether a person is a sociopath or a narcissist?

Doodledog Sat 24-Sep-22 14:49:55

Psychologists say that they become as they are in early childhood, either as a result of emotional neglect or of over-protection. This causes their developing brains to ‘wire up’ differently leading to narcissism in later life, and to the inability to form mature relationships that are based on an understanding that everyone is both ‘good’ and ‘bad’.

They either become overbearing, seeing themselves as deserving of deference, or manipulative, seeing themselves as perpetual victims, but either way they are usually very unhappy, as they don’t understand why their relationships fail. They always blame others, and don’t see their own role in the dysfunction.

annodomini Sat 24-Sep-22 14:30:12

I don't think I've ever known a narcissist, though I can think of one who might have qualified - I stopped seeing her when I discovered she was interested only in herself and her children. My question is: what makes a narcissist? Are they born that way, or is there something in their upbringing that ensures they think only of their own importance?

JaneJudge Sat 24-Sep-22 14:06:54

how I so agree!

Sago Sat 24-Sep-22 13:59:47

It’s my late mother to a T!
My life is so much better now she is dead.
I cherish each day I am alive and she isn’t.

VioletSky Sat 24-Sep-22 13:04:54

I'm sharing this because it is so comprehensive.

It may say mother but it will certainly help anyone understand what a narcissist is and what they do

parrishmiller.com/narcissists.html

VioletSky Sat 24-Sep-22 12:57:39

I've spent a lot of time trying to understand my mother so I can heal myself from her behaviour but everything I find just leads me to, literally how boring a narcissist is.

Yes I know, armchair psychologist etc but nearly 4 decades of this woman and reading every article under the sun and getting mental health help from professionals, she fits all the criteria. Also I know not all Narcissits are abusive and travel that path.

What am I finding?

That they are all:

Predictable
Repetitive
Use the same tactics
Have no heart
Have no soul
Have no dreams
Have no substance
Can only copy what makes others happy
Can only covet what they don't have

Every article will point out the patterns an abusive narcissist will follow, their tactics and their impact on you.

Every article will show how they only like people willing to dance to their tune, praise them, never question them and offer them only support that contains no hard truth or cause for introspection.

And it is so so boring. There is no original thought, they learn what hurts and they stick to it.

Years and years of the same.

They never change their tune, even after No Contact.

Their message is always the same, they just continue on and on saying the same things, doing the same things, nothing really ever changes. Even when they get to the point of telling you or whoever will listen that they have moved on and are now happier without you, they just continue on repeating the same old things. Blaming you, blaming your partner, blaming your friends, blaming the Internet for coaxing you away. Only ever blaming themselves for attention then responding with anger if you agree.

They are boring.

Good people, fall into this trap of thinking these people and these relationships can be fixed. All the while the narcissist is there, undermining your self worth, bringing you down, moulding you into what they need you to be to feel good about themselves and the you that has desperately tried to make them happy and whole sacrifices your own happiness for that?

You watch them put down anyone they envy, their own friends, their own families, listening to them whisper at family gatherings about the people they are supposed to love. They do so much worse to you, their scapegoat and confidant, the one who must never have enough confidence to tell and even if you do, they have destroyed your reputation so you won't be believed...

And we think they are so clever and so manipulative and so big and strong and terrifying that we can't take them down but they aren't any of those things, they are weak, and frightened and hiding from their shame. With the right tools, they may as well have a flashing light above their heads because they are ultimately really really boring.

Leave them to themselves and each other. Know your own worth.