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Do you find estrangement is the gift that keeps on giving.....?

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Sara1954 Tue 28-Mar-23 06:27:18

My husband would have reacted exactly the same.
Regardless of the circumstances, he would have been so happy to hear our sons voice.

Namsnanny Mon 27-Mar-23 23:48:14

I really appreciate that smile

VioletSky Mon 27-Mar-23 22:49:39

Hope things get easier soon

Namsnanny Mon 27-Mar-23 22:23:24

Thank you for your post VioletSky

Namsnanny Mon 27-Mar-23 22:22:35

Mr S would have responded the same way, and I would have felt the same as you
Thank you, I did feel quite badly for admitting how I felt. But we are only human

When they do things like this they arn't worth our tears
My husband said something along those lines.
I have spent my time thinking this person will someday realise we love them, that we did our best, and there would be some kind of rapprochement.
But even though in my heart of hearts I know I still believe /hope that the person I knew as my child is still there, the more time goes by, the more they become some one else.

Love your last two paragraphs. I will take solace from them [floweres]

VioletSky Mon 27-Mar-23 20:03:46

It sounds like you have a lot on your plate at the moment

I would take a step back until you sort out which feelings belong to which situation

Does your husband have contact with your estranged son? Hard as it is for you, he does have that right to remain in contact withbhis child should he wish and that would be a small positive.

Maybe you need to get some help to process everything that is upsetting you, it's easy to let things snowball and cause difficulties between you and others when there is so much happening

Smileless2012 Mon 27-Mar-23 19:53:32

And to answer your question yes, I do find that estrangement is the gift that keeps on giving, a gift I wouldn't give to my worse enemy.

Smileless2012 Mon 27-Mar-23 19:50:04

Dear Namsnanny I'm so sorry that you're understandably upset by this.

There was no need for your EAC to 'phone, and having chosen to do so, should have at the very least been polite when you answered the 'phone.

I agree with you 100% "If they want to be estranged then be estranged". It was totally unnecessary to 'phone as as you say, someone who you are in contact with could have let you know and does your DH really have to be contacted to be told about the death of his brother's 4th wife has died? Why didn't his brother contact him if the news is so important that it cannot wait.

After more than seven years of estrangement, I received an email for our ES two days after my mother died!!! I was furious. He'd been estranged from her as long as he'd been estranged from us. It what an intrusion into my grief, and one that he had no right to make.

I hope that by sharing this here you'll feel to some extent unburdened. Try and take on board what Allsorts has said and don't allow this to come between you.

I can see Mr. S. would have responded the same way and if he had, I'd have felt just like you do now.

Don't suggest that family don't talk about your GC, tell them and when they start and ask if you want to see photo's say no and maybe add that you can't believe how crass and insensitive they are by assuming you would.

What's happened since the death of your Aunt is sordid. Unfortunately vultures sometimes gather when there's been a death. You've done nothing wrong so get a police investigation and when it's finished and you've been exonerated, put the entire distasteful experience behind you.

You are coping, you've been coping and will continue to do so. I know you love your EAC, we love our ES but when they can do things like this they are not worth wasting our tears over.

Stay strong. You can do this and as long as you share here, you'll never have to do it aloneflowers.

Namsnanny Mon 27-Mar-23 19:43:10

Thank you so much for your reply
dont let it cause trouble between you both
you are so right. We only have each other.
The older we get the more it's true.
I'm just reacting like a selfish child.
But I think Im feeling more balanced now.
I'm so grateful for your reply though, it is so helpful

Allsorts Mon 27-Mar-23 19:27:01

Namsnanny, so sorry about what’s happened, it’s very cruel. Your husband was just being himself, he couldn't very well have gone for your son with both barrels, so don’t. let it cause trouble between you both. Your son sounds very immature. Just stick together, you have done what you could in relation to your aunt, the other beneficiary should explain their actions to the solicitor, quite out of order and high handed, you should have done it together, tell the solicitor.

Namsnanny Mon 27-Mar-23 18:58:56

I'm so upset at the moment. I cant stop pacing about and crying.

I'm hoping if I write this down I can at least calm down enough to stop crying.

My EAC who I havent spoken to for around 4 years (they estranged us). Has just rung to inform us that my Husbands brothers 4th wife has died, whom we have only met 2/3 times.

I answered the phone, not knowing who was on the line, and was asked to put 'Dad' on. I was so slow in the uptake that I asked who was calling, I couldn't quite grasp who was speaking.
EAC barked their name and repeated the question.
I passed the phone over to my husband, telling him who it was.

He said Thank you so much for letting me know and used a pet name.

I feel betrayed by his congenial attitude to EAC.

Now I know this is unreasonable, but it's how I feel.

I stress I wouldn't want him to be confrontational or aggressive in anyway (thats not his nature anyway) but a more neutral tone, after all weve been through would have sufficed.

Afterall, the past years have been hell.

EAC had a child we were not allowed to know about.
Well, they didn't care enough about us, to care whether we knew or not. They just informed people it wasn't necessary for them to tell us as we wouldn't be involved in the childs life.

I have suggested family don't talk to us about the child to save myself from more pain.
But some keep sidling up to us, at family gatherings, with photos, ' thought you might like this?' As if they are selling me a dodgy watch.
No, why would I want to torture myself with an image when I'm not allowed to see the real thing?angry
Therefore I dont know gender age or name of a GC whom I love anyway.

It seems as if my EAC has chosen or been co opted or who knows what, to pass on information to us.
Even though EAC chooses not to ever involve us in their lives.

Why would EAC be so crass as to get in the middle of this,
on behalf of a distant relative who quite frankly, couldnt give a damn about EAC, my husband, or myself?

It feels like such an attack. So cruel. If they want to be estranged then be estranged!!

Couldn't BIL either a) not tell us b) write to us c) ask other members of the family he knows we have contact with, to inform us?

The brother and his family didnt' want to come to any Christenings, birthdays ect that we invited them to down the years. In fact I did most of the contact between us all. Even helping out when his 3rd wife was terminally ill.

He remarried soon after her death to someone he already knew.

It was then I grew weary of trying to engage, and left it up to my Husband to do the Christmas card thing ect. Well, he isnt very proactive in that dept so I (quietly and quite happily I admit) let the relationship drift.
He had his new life, we didn't need to worry about them.

Funnily enough, BIL has been more proactive with other family members since his latest marriage. But unfortunately he spends his time boasting about his new wife having quite a bit of money and a couple of villas abroad. He also gives long commentaries about their sex life!envy envy. (sorry the only green faced icon here is for envy, not for violently vomiting)
Another reason I was happy to swerve them.

Its all come on the back of the death of a beloved Aunt. Somewhat out of the blue.
I'm one of the executors.

I'm not a beneficiary.
The beneficiary jumped in as soon as the death was announced (autopsy was required, so long wait for that to finished) and told various relatives to 'help themselves'
Now I'm to blame for not knowing who has what.
Important papers, jewellery, ect are missing.
Neighbours nurses and doctors were in and out of the premises.
The other extecutors and I have been advised by Police to give permission for them to investigate.

Thank goodness I didn't have a key (even though Aunt often asked me to).

Such a sordid fiasco. Exactly the opposite of what my dear Aunt would have wanted.
Oh dear how did all this family upset happen?

I keep repeating to myself throughout the process (which isnt over yet) 'at least I'm coping'.
But I'm not so sure now.