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Worn out with it all.

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DiamondLily Sat 06-May-23 11:59:39

Not sure if I should be posting this here, or where, but I'm feeling completely brain-scrambled at the moment.

I've posted, more than a few times, about the problems DH and I had with his adult kids.

The youngest son has been bouncing us in and out of estrangement for 18 years, and spent the last 4 abusing us by text, with demands for money etc.

The eldest son and family weren't like this, but barely bothered with DH.

Anyway, at Easter, my DH was admitted to hospital. I let my eldest SS know, but no one (other than me and my family) visited.

After a pretty horrendous week, the consultant spoke to me and my daughter (she was with me every day), and said that further treatment was fruitless and ultimately unkind. I had to let him go.

He went onto an end of life ward, and the staff were fantastic.

I notified eldest SS what had happened and that visits were open hours, for anyone to say their goodbyes. DH was unconscious, but I don't know what they hear or not.

I and DD went daily, and other members of my family went as well.

Eldest SS and family went, at some point, and that was fine.

Youngest SS chose not to go.

I and DD held him as he died.

I've had to arrange the funeral, and I've arranged that eldest SS and family, are fully included (car etc).

I have been keeping eldest SS fully informed by email.

Where youngest SS was concerned, I hadn't said anything. I then heard (through another source), that I was apparently banning him, and that he was "grief stricken" 🙄

I wrote to him last week saying I wasn't banning anyone, but I didn't want him or his wife near me. He could go and leave, but leave me alone.

I sent him details of the funeral times etc. and where to send flowers etc

I'm still hearing that by not getting him and car and including him in the "gathering" afterwards, I am effectively banning him.🙄

I am not.

His family have been no real support to me at all - I got a text yesterday (first), from eldest SSs wife, asking if I was going to watch the coronation (no), and thanking me for being so strong and organised. They acknowledged that I had given him the happiest years of his life.

Jeez, I'm on my knees here - stricken with painful grief and now having to deal with all this, along with the never ending formalities that death brings. I can't sleep, eat, and I'm out of strength to fight or argue with his family.

My family and friends have been truly wonderful - I'm grateful to them all. My son and family are flying home for the funeral in a couple of weeks.

Many friends are also attending.

I'm conscious of not becoming "a needy old lady" leaning on people all the time , but they have been great.

I don't know why I'm posting really, but I just feel bemused by other people. I'm so angry as well.

I am now dreading this funeral. It was never going to be easy, but all this friction is making it worse.

I'm now feeling so lacking in confidence (unlike me), I'm not even sure who's being unreasonable.🙁

Witzend Tue 09-May-23 14:13:08

I’m so sorry you’re going through all this on top of your own grief, DiamondLily. 💐

TillyTrotter Tue 09-May-23 14:10:47

No real advice DiamondLily but I could not pass this thread by without saying I am so sorry for the loss of your beloved DH, thank goodness for your children supporting you, and I am sending you virtual strength to get through the funeral and the next few weeks. 💐

Iam64 Tue 09-May-23 14:01:51

I hope the funeral planning and the funeral go as smoothly as possible. I found it helpful, if at times stressful, to have a focus of waiting to honour him. Our daughters felt the same and we did a lot together. A healing journey

DiamondLily Tue 09-May-23 13:46:46

Thank you for your comments. I'm trying to just concentrate on his funeral happening without any sort of dust up with anyone.

My three English adult grandsons did make me smile with their promise to stand by my side and "God help anyone that opens their mouth to you"....not sure that's the answer.

Still, it was well meant...😗

Curlygrey Tue 09-May-23 09:10:29

It’s such a difficult time for you after the sad loss of beloved DH. I agree with the comment that it’s astonishing how badly some people respond when someone dies.
You are understandably hurt and in a vulnerable situation at the moment. But my only suggestion is, focus on coping and taking care of yourself, and focus on the support you do have, from your daughter, friends, and from eldest SS and wife ( message about you giving DH happiest years etc) and eldest GS.
Don’t let the pains of grief and other bits of poor behaviour wipe this out. Proceed gently and don’t get pushed into arguments or fallouts, none of that will help in the long run.

Allsorts Tue 09-May-23 05:36:10

Diamond Lil. 💐 I can only agree with the comments already made. You have done everything possible, you were there for your DH, you cannot be responsible others disgusting behaviour. His could anyone send an emoji, Just for now lean on the people that do care, let the others go, you are not going to turn into a needy old lady, just the opposite. I can remember how I felt when my husband died, no one can imagine the devastation. You have the funeral, lots to do that will pass in a haze, but you will cope. All on here is a listening ear.

LRavenscroft Mon 08-May-23 08:54:17

I am so sorry to hear about your loss. These times are never easy. Please be kind to yourself first and foremost. Do and act as you feel appropriate as in line with what your late husband would have wished. This is about you, him and then your supportive children. My father had a very difficult and bossy family with no sense of decorum. I had one particularly narcissistic cousin and aunt who would have upset events. I arranged for them to sit at the back of the church and they were not invited to the afternoon tea that followed which was invitation only at a local hotel. Please do not let selfish family members ruin the one occasion you get to say good bye to your darling husband. The minute my father was dead his horrible nephew and niece wanted me to provide accommodation for them in his now empty house. It was a categorical 'No' from me in both instances. Stay strong on the outside, and be kind to yourself privately. I did find that my father's death attracted people who thought they were doing good by interfering and in reality they were being invasive. Ignoring them was the best thing I did as it gave me time to grieve and find my own peace.

NanaDana Mon 08-May-23 08:00:42

So sorry for your loss, DiamondLily, and I'm filled with admiration at how you're handling this. As regards your SS, I find it massively hypocritical that he even dares to attend given his foul behaviour. You've made your position clear, so ignore those who you neither want nor need in your life, and focus on those who are supporting you. P.S. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the terms of the will become public. Poetic justice..

Iam64 Mon 08-May-23 07:57:10

So sorry to read of your husband’s death DiamondLily. Sincere condolences. You’ll need all your energy, resilience and strength in dealing with the admin and funeral planning. Try not to waste any on ruminating about your husbands thankless family.

Hetty58 Mon 08-May-23 07:49:40

DiamondLily and Namsnanny, - I was astounded by the behaviour of friends, neighbours - and even close relatives - following the death of my husband. People, in general, are remarkably inept at dealing with anything potentially unpleasant, difficult or sad.

Examples:

My neighbour crossing the road, to avoid speaking to me.

His friend, complaining that he wasn't 'invited' to the hospital to say goodbye (although DH wanted no visitors, except me and his sisters). It wasn't about him.

A sudden lack of party/sleepover/outing invites for the children.

Everyone (except one sibling) suddenly very busy/full of excuses/out of contact for six months to a year after the funeral - just as well I was studying with strangers who became new friends!

What are they so scared of? People die every single day. Why the need to pretend it didn't happen?

Namsnanny Mon 08-May-23 00:52:25

I simply don't get it how some people behave
When my Father was dying, he told my husband he was more of a son to him than my brothers.
Based on how my brothers treated him in the later stages of his life, and of course earlier experiences.
My Father was a loving man, also a realist.

The way my brothers (and Mother) are treating me now, is similar to your step family DiamondLily
I've asked my self why and how, I'm not sure there is an answer.

DiamondLily Sun 07-May-23 19:14:58

Whiff

DiamondLily you are not a fraud being on the estrangement forum. Why don't you come onto the support thread you are a victim of estrangement through your step children. And we talk about things going on in our lives it's not doom and gloom thread.

Until the will goes through probate you will still be harnessed by your husband's children. And you will need support. Once my mother in law died and the will and probate went through I found out she lied to my husband her only son. She promised a dieing man her estate would be divided between our children and only £5,000 going to others. She lied and she divided her will between our 2 children and her brother. Thankfully we never had anything to do with his side of the family as they disappeared once they got the money.

I had a meltdown for 2 years after my husband died but only at night in bed . I thought I had to be brave and keep strong for our children who where 20and 16 when their dad died. It was only after they left home permanently 2 years after it's what I wanted they needed to live their own lives . I realised I had only hurt myself. So just let myself have a meltdown whenever I needed to.

Grief for me never ends but neither does the love for my husband. Post as often as you want and talk about anything you will be listened to and supported and hopefully helped. 💐

I know Whiff but I understand that the estrangement support is basically for those unwillingly estranged, and I feel a bit out of sync as I will be the one cutting them out.

I know it's not all doom and gloom - I often read it and smile.

I simply don't get it how some people behave. I know it's only been 2 weeks and it's all encompassing for me, but I still don't get them.

As for the Will they're in for a a shock...my DH changed his will months ago.

Even his personal stuff (watches, rings etc), he has left to my son.

My DH wasn't daft the last few months. He finally understood how uncaring his family were,

Spring20 Sun 07-May-23 19:04:07

So very sorry to hear of your loss DL, and the struggles you are facing right now. Really hope you can put these to one side and be allowed the space to grieve comforted by those you love and who love you. You aren’t responsible for how others choose to think or behave. Sending much love💐

Hithere Sun 07-May-23 18:45:08

DL
You know where they stand, why look for something different?

I would concentrate on the people who can support you the way you need.

Whiff Sun 07-May-23 18:45:00

DiamondLily you are not a fraud being on the estrangement forum. Why don't you come onto the support thread you are a victim of estrangement through your step children. And we talk about things going on in our lives it's not doom and gloom thread.

Until the will goes through probate you will still be harnessed by your husband's children. And you will need support. Once my mother in law died and the will and probate went through I found out she lied to my husband her only son. She promised a dieing man her estate would be divided between our children and only £5,000 going to others. She lied and she divided her will between our 2 children and her brother. Thankfully we never had anything to do with his side of the family as they disappeared once they got the money.

I had a meltdown for 2 years after my husband died but only at night in bed . I thought I had to be brave and keep strong for our children who where 20and 16 when their dad died. It was only after they left home permanently 2 years after it's what I wanted they needed to live their own lives . I realised I had only hurt myself. So just let myself have a meltdown whenever I needed to.

Grief for me never ends but neither does the love for my husband. Post as often as you want and talk about anything you will be listened to and supported and hopefully helped. 💐

DiamondLily Sun 07-May-23 18:38:49

Yes, well, the funeral is the 2nd of June, and after that, they are all out of my life.

I honestly don't get it - my family are close, loving and supportive. His are so non-caring. Their own mother is rotting alone, in a care home, and they didn't give a toss about DH.

They themselves admit there were no problems with upbringing etc - they just cannot be bothered.

I don't get where they come from. My DH wasn't like that.🙄

DiamondLily Sun 07-May-23 18:32:54

Hithere

May I ask what response (re: the thumbs up) you were hoping for?

It is a very difficult moment right now, more for some than others.

I don't know. But them copping out of the whole thing and responding to my email like that wasn't it.

I can't believe many family members would respond like that.🤔

They aren't bothered - they had already told me that old people were a burden, but I just don't get it. 😗

Namsnanny Sun 07-May-23 18:28:06

DiamondLily I feel so angry on your behalf.
But that is no help to you. I endorse everything others have said much better than I could.
Just to add, who ever is passing on the information about the youngest ss feelings, isn't really doing you any favours.
However they think they may be helping.
Can you avoid them for a while?
Knowing what ss is thinking, doing saying etc., is only going to add more pressure for you to cope with.

Do what ever you can to maintain your strength. No one matters for a while except you.

My heart felt condolences flowers

Hithere Sun 07-May-23 18:18:49

May I ask what response (re: the thumbs up) you were hoping for?

It is a very difficult moment right now, more for some than others.

Madgran77 Sun 07-May-23 18:07:17

A thumbs up is a bit of an astounding response DL!!

So sorry that today is especially hard x

DiamondLily Sun 07-May-23 17:33:05

Thank you for your comments - they mean a lot. Really.💐

I won't say a lot today, as I'm having a real meltdown today. It's been a fortnight, and I'm still not getting to grips with it. I'll try tomorrow.

I feel a bit of a fraud on the estrangement threads, as I know what it's for. I just felt better here as I've got to "know" online, many of the posters.

But, the only estrangement, once I get the funeral over, will be me blowing his family out.

I emailed eldest sons (non estranged) wife yesterday, after her thanking me for being so organised and strong, with how I was actually feeling. It wasn't whingey, just how I was finding it.

After 3 hours, she sent me a "thumbs up emoji". Jeez. I didn't want them to do anything. Just have some understanding.

Nope, that wasn't happening.🙄

But, thanks again. You have given me great support. X

Hetty58 Sun 07-May-23 07:19:29

It's quite enough to just concentrate on getting through the funeral - and forcing down the odd sandwich or piece of fruit. Take no notice (at all) of anything you hear from youngest SS. He's got a nerve to expect to be 'included' at this time.

Whiff Sun 07-May-23 06:53:50

DiamondLily you have support places on GN here on estrangement and as Smiles said the support thread but also the bereavement threads. I have written on several.

The rage and anger you feel won't just be because of your husband's children but as I found out it's all part of grieving for the other half of yourself. And it's something you have to let yourself feel don't do what I did and try and fight it as you only hurt yourself. What every you feel is right . If you want to cry,shout,swear or hit a pillow do it. It will make you feel better. Don't think you have to be brave those who love you don't expect you to be . Grief is all consuming it physically hurts as well as mentally. Talk out loud to your husband everyday I promise it helps. I have shouted at mine for leaving me and blamed him for my estrangement as it would never have happened if he had lived he wouldn't have put up with what I did. But I felt better after raging at him then I saw him with that stupid grin on his face. And I felt better.

As a friend of mine who was widowed in November said she didn't realise have shitty it would be or how hard it is to make all the decisions on your own .

Your situation is far worse than mine. As unfortunately you have to face your step children crawling out of the woodwork to see if their dad left then any money in his will. And if he didn't then the back lash from that and if he did then I can see them playing up if it's not as much as they thought.

Your family and friends will protect you as much as they can. But at the end of the day like everyone else who has lost the other half of yourself if like me you will never feel whole again. The moment my husband died my present and future died and it's very hard to make a new present and future but the love you shared will get through each day. But we are the lucky ones we know what it's like to be so loved and to love in return. Love never dies but in my experience neither does grief over the years you learn to live with it. But even 19 years on grief can still overwhelm me.

You must take care of yourself and eat and drink and you may find what I call grief weight loss. It's as if your body burns extract calories so you can cope with the overwhelming sense of loss.

Be kind to yourself and only deal with what you need to and if your family offer to help let them . And just a cuddle from a loved one will mean so much you don't have to talk and cry if you want to.

You have a hard road to travel and it's very new . I call the first 10 years early grief as in my experience it took me that long to realise this is my life.

Take good care of yourself you know your husband would want you to. And cherish every minute you had together it will get you thought the tough times to come. 💐💐

Whiff Sat 06-May-23 16:10:21

DiamondLily I am so sorry your darling husband has died. You are a member of a club none of wanted to join . But I am glad your darling man isn't suffering anymore. I had to tell my husband to stop struggling and we would be ok he died minutes later. It's so hard to let them go but we had to. I did it 19 years ago and there's no a day gone by I don't miss him.

For you this estrangement with your husband's children is adding to your grief but glad you have your own family and friends to support you. Only who you want will be allowed to speak at the funeral that you can control. Just make sure who ever does the service doesn't ask anyone who wants to talk about your husband.

You have no control who attends the funeral so if your horrible step kids turn up surround yourself with those who love you. But if you have a wake you just invite who you want there and any uninvited guests can be ejected. I am sure your family and friends would gladly do that for you.

You don't have to look at or talk to who you don't want to. Nor do you have to accept any flowers you don't want from people anywhere near you husband's coffin.

Sorry have to go just noticed the time and my daughter will be coming for me soon.

Didn't want to ignore your heartbreaking post.

It's your husband's funeral the other half of you and you do it the way you want. Bugger anyone who tries to spoil it for you.

NanaDana Sat 06-May-23 15:44:17

So sorry for your loss. Try to concentrate on the positives around you. Move on, and leave all those negatives behind. You don't need them in your life.