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Newbie but not to estrangement

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Flipityflop Sun 15-Dec-24 17:12:53

So yes, I am a newbie to the forum but not to estrangement. It will be 11 years this Christmas. Its still raw, I cry so often and get jealous of people with children and gran children as I feel we will never experience that. Seems a bit too long with out reconciliation now, although I have thought about contacting but fear the mental health of the estranged child may push them to do something terrible. I have 11 years worth of cards for birthdays, Christmas etc but it doesn't get easier. I plod on but my own mental health has really suffered. I have gone from an extrovert, family orientated mum to a fractured mum, with a very fractured family that has had far reaching repercussions. I have been replaced, someone else took over my role as a mum, someone paid to look after my beautiful daughter. I have tried to move forward, have had counselling, cbt you name it but it still hurts so much sad

Smileless2012 Mon 16-Dec-24 09:06:57

It's heartening to see the nastiness here being called out by posters who are not estranged as well as by those who are.

Ziggy62 Mon 16-Dec-24 09:07:06

Smileless2012

^Many many people feel the same as banned posters, they just don't express it here^ really User!!! Well if that is the case, it's a good thing that they keep their feelings to themselves isn't it.

Why anyone would feel the need to make posts of this nature is beyond me but does explain why they've been banned.

If someone's being directly attacked, it's understandable that they feel the need to respond Ziggy. It's not those who respond to the nastiness who have no thought for the OP, its those who target a new thread on this forum and I wouldn't classify what's been happening on this forum lately as playground squabbles.

Perhaps you could try and imagine just what it's like to be an EP/EGP, especially at this time of year and how you would feel being subjected to the nastiness we've seen here.

I have been an EP/EGP, I know exactly how it feels, so I don't need to "imagine just what it's like"
I had many heartbreaking days over the Christmas periods.
Thankfully (after some years) we were able to reconnect as a family

The whole point of my post earlier was to support the OP and suggest that by ignoring the trolls it may help
But I'll keep my thoughts on this very emotional subject to myself in future

Wishing you and all other EPs the best Christmas possible, I know it's not easy

Smileless2012 Mon 16-Dec-24 09:11:23

It's good to know that you've managed to reconcile Ziggy. As you say it isn't easy especially at Christmas, and it's a shame that some appear to be determined to make it even harder.

Toetoe Mon 16-Dec-24 10:00:26

❤️ for you all x

Madgran77 Mon 16-Dec-24 11:25:41

Ziggy The whole point of my post earlier was to support the OP and suggest that by ignoring the trolls it may help. But I'll keep my thoughts on this very emotional subject to myself in future

Ziggy Your comment was helpful and supportive and generally not responding to trolls is a good strategy. Occasionally a follow up to the daft but very unkind comments plus reporting can make a point. I am sure your support is appreciated so please dont keep your thoughts to yourself

Cossy Mon 16-Dec-24 12:02:00

FriedGreenTomatoes2

My heartfelt best wishes to all here suffering anguish because of estrangement.

Who ARE these gorgons who sit to feast on the despair of others? They just sicken me.

Best to ignore and report, as you do but I have to say they disgust me.

I’m with you FGT

Cossy Mon 16-Dec-24 12:02:46

Smileless2012

It's heartening to see the nastiness here being called out by posters who are not estranged as well as by those who are.

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Babs03 Mon 16-Dec-24 12:24:42

Toetoe

❤️ for you all x

Thanks
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Smileless2012 Mon 16-Dec-24 13:53:01

Thank you ToeToe [thcsmile]

Luminance Mon 16-Dec-24 15:58:30

It looks like I have missed the dramatics once again. Reading through it does make individuals look rather bad themselves responding to nothing. Hey ho, some seem to like the excitement.

Babs03 Mon 16-Dec-24 16:03:11

Luminance

It looks like I have missed the dramatics once again. Reading through it does make individuals look rather bad themselves responding to nothing. Hey ho, some seem to like the excitement.

I wouldn’t call it dramatics, is extremely hurtful and upsetting for EPs to have abuse hurled at them. And is not exciting either.
But hey ho we seem to inhabit very different worlds.

Babs03 Mon 16-Dec-24 16:11:28

@Luminance, just curious, on other forums where I have come across you posting you seem kind and generous with your advice. But there seems to be a change of tone on some threads on this forum, quite out of character in fact, yet only with regard to EPs.
Perhaps you have an axe to grind but are simply happy to see others wield the axe.
Just making an observation, could be completely wrong but I don’t think I am alone in this.

Luminance Mon 16-Dec-24 16:21:49

It appears you have misread me, I would direct you to the response I made before the dramatics started.

Babs03 Mon 16-Dec-24 16:26:11

I did indeed read it.
Very nice.
But not always in keeping with your views on here. Like I said I could be wrong.
I hope that I am.

Luminance Mon 16-Dec-24 16:34:06

I would hope that none of us were forced to live by others expectations. I have my own view of what I read.

Smileless2012 Mon 16-Dec-24 17:12:26

Well as you've missed the dramatics Luminance you have no idea why some of the responses that remain were made have you.

The only individuals who look bad are the ones that have posts deleted, and perhaps anyone who feels that the unpleasantness that this thread has attracted is akin to excitement.

pascal30 Mon 16-Dec-24 17:21:32

Smileless2012

Well as you've missed the dramatics Luminance you have no idea why some of the responses that remain were made have you.

The only individuals who look bad are the ones that have posts deleted, and perhaps anyone who feels that the unpleasantness that this thread has attracted is akin to excitement.

I didn't say anything unpleasant in fact I was supporting you, but I had my post withdrawn..

Luminance Mon 16-Dec-24 17:22:32

If comments cannot be read and understood clearly in their first instance, I would be hard pressed to explain them now and will not.

Smileless2012 Mon 16-Dec-24 17:34:55

Your support was greatly appreciated pascal, I hadn't realised you post had been withdrawn and see it was because it quoted a post that was deleted so no reflection on you.

I would be hard pressed to explain them now and will not indeed Luminance but not hard pressed to say of those who responded to posts that are no longer there that they look rather bad themselves.

Babs03 Mon 16-Dec-24 17:40:31

I cannot believe that anyone would have anything but contempt for those deleted by GN for being abusive on a support thread or anything but sympathy for those who were targeted.
And I feel most sorry for the OP who must now have retreated having seen such a barrage of insults and worse, I feel that many estranged EPs who would benefit greatly from this forum because they desperately need support are being scared off. Which is obscene.

Smileless2012 Mon 16-Dec-24 17:46:59

Well I find it hard to believe Babs but it's happening isn't it.

Maybe it's not just EP's being scared off, EAC who want to share and do so without attacking the EP's on this forum may also be deterred.

We have over the years had some informative and mutually supportive discussions with some EAC. Perhaps as well as wanting to silence EP's there's also a desire to prevent any meaningful discourse between those who have been estranged, and those who have done so.

Grunty Mon 16-Dec-24 17:53:17

A new thread was started this afternoon; same old garbage. Don't think it got even one response before it was zapped! GNHQ are on it like a bonnet lately! grin

Babs03 Mon 16-Dec-24 17:58:05

Grunty

A new thread was started this afternoon; same old garbage. Don't think it got even one response before it was zapped! GNHQ are on it like a bonnet lately! grin

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Babs03 Mon 16-Dec-24 18:04:34

I also echo what Smileless said, there must be EACs out there looking for support and put off by the abusive nastiness, indeed this is no reflection at all upon them and would encourage anybody estranged to come forward for estrangement affects very many people not just EPs or even just EACs.

Smileless2012 Mon 16-Dec-24 18:15:52

Missed that one Grunty as you say GNHQ are on it like a bonnet tchsmile.