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Reconciliation may have brought some answers, but no closure

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Portrait Sun 01-Jun-25 15:48:45

I feel like my relationship with my daughter since she reached out is tenous. All trust is gone with me, but she reached out because she personally and professionally burned bridges. We were receptive, she is our daughter. She made some devestatingly bad decisions that had severe consequences. She appeared to have it all and now must start over. She used people, discarded them and repeated the cycle. Then she did it to the wrong people. I think professionally she may not recover at all. She will be able to work and make a living. But she won't be living in a mansion again anytime soon.

So it's like living with a ghost. I am her mother so even though I don't feel she has any love or warmth towards me or any of her former family and friends that she dumped, I know she's at her lowest so I am supportive. Her father and I worry she will commit suicide as she has alluded to. But she is careful to always say she doesn't have a plan and it was yesterday's thoughts so we don't send in the troops. And she has started therapy. But unfortunately with a therapist who tells her that her entitled behavior is not a bad thing. This entitled behavior is what helped get her in this mess to begin with.

Her father and I agonized over what parenting mistakes we made to cause such a drastic personality change in her mid to late 20's. We were a close family. Lots of fun, lots of laughs, we never abused her. We were her biggest supporters in life. But she dumped us, and most of her friends and family who weren't wealthy and ambitious.

I learned that the prescription stimulants use she dabbled in during college was not a fleeting thing. She never stopped taking them. She did confide in me at that time that she was using them to get through finals and how easy it was to find an online doctor to prescribe them. She does not and never had ADHD. So it was and is prescription drug abuse I believe that changed her. I disapproved of course, but gently. She was an adult at that time and she could talk to me about anything. We were close like that so I was blindsided when she dumped us and created a life with corporate sharks and what we believed to be very selfish people.

She acted so much like my mother and sister who many people call narcissists that I believed it was genetics. I still think that has a part, but I think abusing prescription stimulants which can cause impulsivity and lack of empathy was perhaps the main reason for her personality change. And drinking wine at night to come down from it all to sleep. Now she takes prescription sleeping pills to do this. And still drinks wine as well.

My daughter still takes no accountability for her actions and how they hurt other people. I hope in time she views things differently. She doesn't understand why she could not walk back into everyone's lives after years of absence and not be welcomed back with open arms. Everyone is cordial but they don't trust her and have moved on.

She takes shots at me because whe believes I am the barrier that keeps her old friends and family from inviting her over. I've never said a harsh word about her and these people have come to their own decisions about having a relationship with her.

She told me she was cruel to me, and I think that is the best she can do to address the way she demonized and lied about her childhood. She lost a lot of friends when she started that because they knew the truth and thought she had changed. It's not an apology but at least it shows some self reflection.

I really hoped hitting rock bottom would help her change back into being an empathatic and caring person. But as long as she abuses prescription drugs and alcohol I don't think it will. And I don't think her therapist or anyone in the medical community will address this issue because she has a prescription.

Thanks for listening to my story. I live on the edge of being supportive to a daughter who is not the daughter I know, while worrying about her still. Hubby and I talk about it and we agree to accept that she is not fully with us in heart and spirit, and acts like she is only interested in herself that she still needs support.

I miss the daughter I raised and loved for decades. I don't like the person she has become. But if ever a person needed the love of a mother and father she is the one. So it's hard. But we at least know that if and when she creates a new tribe of like minded people she will dump us again and we are okay with that while still sad about it. Just gotta get her through this part of her life.

keepingquiet Sun 01-Jun-25 16:04:29

I have sent you a message. I hope you are a genuine poster.

Smileless2012 Sun 01-Jun-25 16:22:05

Portrait has posted before keepingquiet.

Until your D accepts full responsibility for alienating family and friends Portrait I think you're unlikely to get closure or to be able to trust her again.

To be supporting her as you are is testament to the fact that her present situation is due entirely to her own choices and behaviour, something only she can realise for herself.

It's disappointing that her therapist appears to be encouraging her entitled behaviour but of course s/he can only go on what she is telling them, and if she's being 'economical' with the truth, it will be impossible for them to see the full picture, including the abuse of prescribed medication and alcohol.

It looks as if you and your DH have your eyes wide open to the distinct possibility that if and when she gets 'back on her feet',
she will dump you again.

A terrible situation for you both but I hope that by being realistic about what the future may well hold, you'll be in a better place mentally and emotionally to cope with this, if it happens again flowers.

DARVO Sun 01-Jun-25 16:52:20

"I really hoped hitting rock bottom would help her change back into being an empathatic and caring person. But as long as she ..."

I can't quite place why, but it was really unnerving to see a parent talk about their kid in this way.

Crossstitchfan Sun 01-Jun-25 16:52:21

This is a sad, but not uncommon, story. I do sympathise with you and your husband.
Of all the problems that are difficult to treat, drug taking is one of the worst. I know that as a retired Border Force officer. Stopping taking drugs is so hard. Almost impossible without professional help, and well nigh impossible if the drug-taker doesn’t want to stop. Your daughter clearly wants to continue taking them, so nothing you say or do will change that. Until, and if, she has a change of heart, she will continue in this vein.
There is nothing you can do to change her. Even if she swears she is clean, you probably shouldn’t believe her. People seldom come off drugs without massive help from a professional, and even then, they need to want to.
So, what can you do? Apart from being there for her, not a lot. Her doctor who prescribes the drugs will not discuss her with you. That said, I would be inclined to write him a letter laying out your concerns and asking if he can do anything at all to help. He might be able to persuade her to speak to a therapist where she can talk about her hang ups, why she needs drugs etc. The therapist might have a way to help, but if your daughter doesn’t want to be helped, that’s another story.
All you can do is support her as best you can, be there for her, don’t criticise her or try to make her change. You are doing the right thing not deserting her. She is lucky to have good parents and believe me, there is nothing you have done to cause this so do not blame yourselves. Over the years I have dealt with many youngsters (mainly females) who took drugs. It always amazed me how many came from affluent homes and/or close-knit ones. It is very seldom the parents’ fault.
Don’t give up on her, or yourselves. Keep the door open, keep up contact as best you can (no mention of drugs if you do speak to her). She’ll break contact if you lecture her. I used to try to have gentle conversations with the youngsters I came across when arresting them at work, and most said they left home because parents tried to ‘cure’ them (not possible), or change them, also not possible, or made their lives a misery instead of trying to understand.
Hang in there! It’s hard but you’ll get through this.
My thoughts are with you..

Crossstitchfan Sun 01-Jun-25 16:54:21

DARVO

*"I really hoped hitting rock bottom would help her change back into being an empathatic and caring person. But as long as she ..."*

I can't quite place why, but it was really unnerving to see a parent talk about their kid in this way.

I can sort of understand your concern but I think the parents were thinking ‘the only way is up’! It’s a desperate worry for them.

Smileless2012 Sun 01-Jun-25 17:01:49

I agree Crossstitchfan because it appears that the only reason the OP's D has contacted her parents having estranged them is because she has hit 'rock bottom'.

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NiceDream Sun 01-Jun-25 17:08:52

Does your daughter have a diagnosis of ADHD? To get the medication? People with ADHD don't lack empathy but it can be a bit of an "out of sight out of mind" problem.

I ask because, if she has been diagnosed, that might enable you to look into it and discover ways to make the relationship easier for you both. The way you describe her does fit the diagnosis.

It's also, well, next to impossible to have a loving relationship with someone you don't like. Try and focus on what you do like about her, I think if you don't, you can't really give that real support, you will only be fulfilling a duty and that will lead to pain for both of you.

Smileless2012 Sun 01-Jun-25 17:10:08

Irrelevant to the OP IamAI.

fancythat Sun 01-Jun-25 17:13:51

We were her biggest supporters in life

Would you say that you spoilt her?
That seems to be a bit of a reoccurence on these types of threads.

IamAI Sun 01-Jun-25 17:17:01

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Smileless2012 Sun 01-Jun-25 17:31:34

It is possible to love someone even though you don't like them NiceDream which comes across in Portrait's OP, and is often the case with parents who have been estranged and the AC who estranged them.

Not a sense of duty but an act love despite the very real possibility that they will be estranged again.

Smileless2012 Sun 01-Jun-25 17:32:07

'an act of love'

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NiceDream Sun 01-Jun-25 17:51:50

Smileless2012

It is possible to love someone even though you don't like them NiceDream which comes across in Portrait's OP, and is often the case with parents who have been estranged and the AC who estranged them.

Not a sense of duty but an act love despite the very real possibility that they will be estranged again.

Hi. Sorry, I said "It is next to impossible to have a loving relationship with". A relationship has 2 people in it.

If someone said to you, "I love you but I don't like you" Would you feel truly loved?

Caleo Sun 01-Jun-25 17:58:13

Yes I would. I can love someone warts and all.

NiceDream Sun 01-Jun-25 18:00:38

Ah, that's my lived experience and no, I did not feel loved.

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DiamondLily Sun 01-Jun-25 18:06:04

I think we can love family members, but not like them or their behaviour at times.

All pretty normal. 🤷‍♀️

Allsorts Sun 01-Jun-25 18:30:24

Iam, your posts miss the point. If you have been used for years and abused by your child, the child a grown woman, who uses drugs and alcohol, would you want their company, only if you are a whipping dog. The daughter is back, not because she missed her family and is sorry but she has burnt her boats and no one else will put up with her.
Portrait, despite misgiving has accepted her back but it’s not to say its easy. If the right opportunity came along no doubt dear daughter would be off like a shot. The situation wont last long as something will give.
I have nil tolerance to drugs so i wouldn't have her in my house if she wasn't clean.
Maybe she will surprise you all, anyone can change but only if they admit to their failings and works really hard on being the oerson they know they can be.

NiceDream Sun 01-Jun-25 18:43:15

When I see potential drug misuse, alcohol misuse, a life of colleagues and friends suddenly absent... I don't see personality change, I see trauma, suffering, poor mental health.

That's not to say that Portrait should put up with anything damaging from her daughter just that, potentially this is a situation her daughter could recover from. Disliking a behaviour is fine, disliking a person in general... That's not a loving relationship. Empathy dislikes the behaviour, not the person, empathy sees the struggle.

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