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Llort138562 Sat 07-Jun-25 20:53:58

Recently, I spent time reading forums and online spaces created by adult children who have chosen to estrange themselves from one or both parents. These communities are significantly different from estranged parent support groups, both in tone and in the way stories are told.

One of the most striking things is how often these adult children describe their estrangement as the result of longstanding emotional pain. Many reference experiences they interpret as emotional neglect, control, boundary violations, or outright abuse—ranging from overt behavior to more subtle, persistent patterns. Some speak of childhood environments that looked normal from the outside but felt unsafe or invalidating internally.

There are recurring themes in how these individuals describe their parents’ responses when they tried to address past issues:
- Denial or downplaying of events
- Shifting blame onto the child, a spouse, or a therapist
- Pathologizing the child (e.g., calling them mentally ill, brainwashed, unstable)
- Viewing estrangement as a sudden or irrational decision rather than the outcome of a long process
- Expressing shock that a child could “cut off” a parent, while overlooking the years of attempts at communication that may have preceded it

Interestingly, these are many of the same patterns discussed in estranged parent forums—but from the opposite perspective. Where parents often speak of being blindsided or betrayed, the adult children describe a breaking point after years of unresolved hurt.

There’s clearly a major disconnect in how both sides interpret the same relationships and events. But reading these spaces side by side highlights how entrenched and mirrored the narratives can be.

This isn’t a comment on who’s right or wrong in any individual case, but more an observation: both groups describe the other in remarkably similar terms. Yet the framing is completely different depending on whose story you’re hearing.

It raises complex questions about memory, emotional perception, intergenerational dynamics, and the nature of family itself. It also shows how easily communication can break down when pain isn’t acknowledged or addressed directly, or when one party insists on their version being the only valid one.

Whether one agrees with the estranged adult children's interpretations or not, their accounts are nuanced and often come from a place of deep reflection. They’re worth reading for anyone trying to understand the broader landscape of estrangement.

Madgran77 Tue 10-Jun-25 13:52:05

NiceDream

I don't do that. Whatever someone has done to me I don't hope the same happens to them. I suppose it is a bit surprising to me for anyone to really wish that or even mention it in regards to someone else. Estrangement has quite a wide impact, to wish an estranged child were in turn estranged by their child would mean the grandchild being hurt. Who would want another innocent to hurt too or even wonder about that?

I think if I were having thoughts like that I would want to shut them down quickly and get some help. Just doesn't sound emotionally mature or healthy

But the point is that keepingquiet was not wishing it to happen to her child or any other child in her original comment. It just appears to have been interpreted that way by another poster (*Llort*) which is what I was commenting on.

I agree that it's not good to wish the same on someone else per se.

NiceDream Tue 10-Jun-25 13:34:03

I don't do that. Whatever someone has done to me I don't hope the same happens to them. I suppose it is a bit surprising to me for anyone to really wish that or even mention it in regards to someone else. Estrangement has quite a wide impact, to wish an estranged child were in turn estranged by their child would mean the grandchild being hurt. Who would want another innocent to hurt too or even wonder about that?

I think if I were having thoughts like that I would want to shut them down quickly and get some help. Just doesn't sound emotionally mature or healthy

Madgran77 Tue 10-Jun-25 13:27:24

It's so stupid on so many levels; Even if it's not malicious, it's worth pointing out nonetheless.

Just to clarify that last part of my comment above and as quoted here was not my comment it was a quote from Llort

Madgran77 Tue 10-Jun-25 09:26:39

Llort* It's still a very immature to even wonder, and is fundamentally flawed because it assumes (and even subtly hopes) that their children as just as immature as they are.

No it isnt. It's just human to think of all possibilities around a situation

It also assumes that every child inevitably estranges.

How you conclude that I have no idea. But I wouldn't wish to call some one stupid ....
It's so stupid on so many levels; Even if it's not malicious, it's worth pointing out nonetheless.

Smileless2012 Mon 09-Jun-25 21:01:01

Don't you get tired of all these user names 1ssendai?

lssendai Mon 09-Jun-25 20:01:02

Down the Rabbit Hole: The world of estranged parents' forums

Why Study Estranged Parents' Forums?

The Missing Missing Reasons

Dysfunctional Beliefs

Estranged Parents and Boundaries

Stories from Estranged Parents

Not All Estranged Parents Are Abusive

Smileless2012 Mon 09-Jun-25 19:47:50

That's been my experience too NiceDream, here and on a couple of other on line sites I was on.

NiceDream Mon 09-Jun-25 19:39:28

I have never been to any estranged parent forums so have no experience of them at all. I just know that the forums for estranged children I have visited were of a great help to me and the focus on growth and healing was very needed at the time I used them.

Of course people came in hurting or angry or confused but you could see them heal over time.

Smileless2012 Mon 09-Jun-25 19:25:27

for posting here

Smileless2012 Mon 09-Jun-25 19:24:45

The only thing being proved here front and center is your real reason for posting her L1ort.

Llort138562 Mon 09-Jun-25 18:29:19

I'll stop posting though, in the interest of keeping this thread interesting.

I just think that you're proving the OP's point front and center.

Llort138562 Mon 09-Jun-25 18:18:12

Madgran77

*keepingquiet Although I am no longer estranged from my adult child I do wonder what these adult children will feel when their own child turns round and accuses them of being a terrible parent?
I do think they believe it will never happen to them...but it will, and then they will be wondering what they did wrong.*

Llort138562 I do not think that keepingquiets comments suggest (to quote a part of your reply) that her "first thought isn’t hope for healing or growth, but a kind of quiet satisfaction at the idea of your children being hurt the same way. That’s not parental concern — that’s just a selfish wish for your pain to be passed down. The fundamental difference you’re missing is that healthy parents don’t hope their children suffer to understand them*

She is just saying that she has wondered that!

We can all "wonder" things about how people might feel but it does not mean that we wish them to feel that or to suffer what we are wondering about!

I am wondering why you decided to start this thread to be honest. It had the potential to be interesting and informative but unfortunately I think your interpretations of what people mean in their comments has rather scuppered that. I don't disagree with all that you say but how you conclude some things from posters comments is just bemusing!

It's still a very immature to even wonder, and is fundamentally flawed because it assumes (and even subtly hopes) that their children as just as immature as they are.

It also assumes that every child inevitably estranges.
It's so stupid on so many levels; Even if it's not malicious, it's worth pointing out nonetheless.

Llort138562 Mon 09-Jun-25 18:16:12

eddiecat78

You know only 2 things about me - I have a daughter and had a father.Your conclusions about me are therefore meaningless.
Keep your derogatory comments for people you actually know

"You know only 2 things about me - I have a daughter and had a father.Your conclusions about me are therefore meaningless."

Well now I know even more how you think, and it ain't pretty I'll tell you that much.

Smileless2012 Mon 09-Jun-25 18:10:44

^Keep your derogatory comments for people you actually know^; keep them for your own parents Llort rather than tarring all EP's with the same brush.

It seems to be power for the course Madgran; 'I estranged my abusive/toxic/narcissist parent(s) ergo all EP's must be the same.

eddiecat78 Mon 09-Jun-25 17:54:17

You know only 2 things about me - I have a daughter and had a father.Your conclusions about me are therefore meaningless.
Keep your derogatory comments for people you actually know

Madgran77 Mon 09-Jun-25 17:46:34

*keepingquiet Although I am no longer estranged from my adult child I do wonder what these adult children will feel when their own child turns round and accuses them of being a terrible parent?
I do think they believe it will never happen to them...but it will, and then they will be wondering what they did wrong.*

Llort138562 I do not think that keepingquiets comments suggest (to quote a part of your reply) that her "first thought isn’t hope for healing or growth, but a kind of quiet satisfaction at the idea of your children being hurt the same way. That’s not parental concern — that’s just a selfish wish for your pain to be passed down. The fundamental difference you’re missing is that healthy parents don’t hope their children suffer to understand them*

She is just saying that she has wondered that!

We can all "wonder" things about how people might feel but it does not mean that we wish them to feel that or to suffer what we are wondering about!

I am wondering why you decided to start this thread to be honest. It had the potential to be interesting and informative but unfortunately I think your interpretations of what people mean in their comments has rather scuppered that. I don't disagree with all that you say but how you conclude some things from posters comments is just bemusing!

Llort138562 Mon 09-Jun-25 17:42:33

eddiecat78

Well, some of your comments leave me speechless. I presume you would consider me a bad mother because I didn't see much of my daughter when she was pregnant because I was caring for my dying father.
You say that parents don't have to be perfect but they have to be "good enough". What gives you the right to define what "good enough" means? It means different things to different people in different circumstances. Many would consider your definition unrealistic.

"I presume you would consider me a bad mother because I didn't see much of my daughter when she was pregnant because I was caring for my dying father."

I don't know the nuances of that specific situation so I won't consider it.

Quoting you previously though:

"Most children grow up and realise what their parents were up against - and stop blaming them for everything"

If I consider you a bad mother it would be because you are someone who wants empathy for their struggles but refuses to offer the same in return.

You would rather defensively shut down the dialogue, rather than try to understand or grow from it (no matter how uncomfortable and painful it may be to you).

Madgran77 Mon 09-Jun-25 17:33:48

Peace34

I think as parents we need to recognise that our children are not born this way.
Clearly something has happened during childhood to develop this.
As parents we owe our children unconditional love and understanding. We chose to have them. They do not owe us that and we need to acknowledge any harm we have caused even if inadvertently

I am not sure that it is clear that "something has happened during childhood" per se. Estrangement are not always related (by the person estranging) to childhood experience.

eddiecat78 Mon 09-Jun-25 17:29:33

Well, some of your comments leave me speechless. I presume you would consider me a bad mother because I didn't see much of my daughter when she was pregnant because I was caring for my dying father.
You say that parents don't have to be perfect but they have to be "good enough". What gives you the right to define what "good enough" means? It means different things to different people in different circumstances. Many would consider your definition unrealistic.

Llort138562 Mon 09-Jun-25 17:14:21

NiceDream

I think if I were estranged by a child I would be doing more than wondering what I did wrong, I'd want to know what I did wrong. I am not a perfect parent at all, just a normal person with normal struggles.

So when I look at my reasons for estranging and the heartbreak and fallout it caused me, that's the absolute last position I would ever want any of my children to be in.

I have always been able to be accountable and listen to others perspectives so I would like to hope that if problems arise I would be able to navigate them in a healthy way.

I want to be told if I am getting something wrong or if my children have issues in the relationship and I have tried to make sure that they know that this relationship is both of us and a place we both need to feel loved and respected.

That's all I can realistically do isn't it?

"That's all I can realistically do isn't it?"

You can.

But narcissists can never realistically do that.

It's like expecting a pig to start flying. It's a completely unfair and unrealistic expectation of the pig.

Llort138562 Mon 09-Jun-25 17:07:30

keepingquiet

Although I am no longer estranged from my adult child I do wonder what these adult children will feel when their own child turns round and accuses them of being a terrible parent?

I do think they believe it will never happen to them...but it will, and then they will be wondering what they did wrong.

It's really telling that your first thought isn’t hope for healing or growth, but a kind of quiet satisfaction at the idea of your children being hurt the same way. That’s not parental concern — that’s just a selfish wish for your pain to be passed down.

The fundamental difference you’re missing is that healthy parents don’t hope their children suffer to understand them.

They try their hardest to break the cycle and don't act defensive when faced with their child's first-hand experiences.

Some even never have children to begin with, as they realize the generational damage in their bloodline is so great and vast that the only winning move is to not continue it (as in, have any kids).

Please have a good, hard look in the mirror. Your thinking was genuinely disturbing to see.

NiceDream Mon 09-Jun-25 17:02:59

I think if I were estranged by a child I would be doing more than wondering what I did wrong, I'd want to know what I did wrong. I am not a perfect parent at all, just a normal person with normal struggles.

So when I look at my reasons for estranging and the heartbreak and fallout it caused me, that's the absolute last position I would ever want any of my children to be in.

I have always been able to be accountable and listen to others perspectives so I would like to hope that if problems arise I would be able to navigate them in a healthy way.

I want to be told if I am getting something wrong or if my children have issues in the relationship and I have tried to make sure that they know that this relationship is both of us and a place we both need to feel loved and respected.

That's all I can realistically do isn't it?

keepingquiet Mon 09-Jun-25 16:46:59

Although I am no longer estranged from my adult child I do wonder what these adult children will feel when their own child turns round and accuses them of being a terrible parent?

I do think they believe it will never happen to them...but it will, and then they will be wondering what they did wrong.

Llort138562 Mon 09-Jun-25 16:40:06

In your example of " caring for a elderly relative" (as in, someone "getting ill"), you shouldn't be sacrificing your children's priorities and needs in favor of your parents, ill or not.

If you know there's no-one else or no resources in the family to take care of them if they got ill, than don't have children if you're going to end up sacrificing their health in order to preserve your parents'.

And if you're just talking about parents themselves becoming ill and unable to take care of children, that is a whole separate tragedy than from being an immature parents. Both are (about) equally unfortunate and have (about) similar consequences for the child, but they aren't the same forms of grief.

One is grief over what was lost, the other is grief over something that never existed.

eddiecat78 Mon 09-Jun-25 16:18:38

For most parents having children is a very well thought out decision but real life has a nasty habit of throwing up unexpected things. Eg nobody plans to get ill or be made redundant.You are being very naive if you can't see that