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Support and friendship for those whose lives have been affected by estrangement.

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Smileless2012 Thu 26-Jun-25 10:42:51

So here we are again, another thread for friends we've already made and for those we are yet to meet.

The last few days have been difficult because for as long as some of us have been contributing to the support threads, offensive posts from these 'new' members still not only disrupt, but can hurt too.

'The truth shall set you free' popped into my head over the weekend because these 'new' members/trolls/previously banned posters are not being truthful to us here on this forum or possibly to themselves either.

In order for the truth to free us we have to be honest because honesty and truthfulness can liberate us from all kinds of emotional baggage like guilt and fear and also the impact of deception on our lives.

Guilt often prevents 'admitting' to estrangement in the first place and many live with the fear of permanent estrangement, that estrangement is inevitable or the fear of what a reconciliation my bring.

The impact that the deception from those who lie about us to others is sometimes unquantifiable as is the impact of lying to themselves.

What we share may not always be pretty, it may not always be easy to share or to read but it does help ourselves, one another and who knows how many who read but never post and that I believe is what really matters.

Yoginimeisje Wed 27-Aug-25 09:37:11

Babs sounding good with your DH able to get on the bus, take it it's our local hospital. Looking like there will be one more GN joining us for coffee grin.

That doesn't sound good Birdie with multiple occupancies, how may do you know?

I was closing my bedroom curtains last night at around 8.30pm and saw a young guy in a hoody standing outside on an electric scooter, lots of lights on it, so obviously using at night. I thought to take a pic as he was there quite a while, turns out it was upstairs doing a drugs deal! I've been thinking to say to him; not on our doorstep please, but wonder if I'll get myself into hot water. DH's [nxt door] son has come back to live with them as he broke up with his girlfriend. I had a long pleasant chat with him when he first moved back in, he then went up to the ' Edinburgh Fringe' in Scotland for the duration, back late last night, walking in with big joint in his gob. So got another one smoking skunk. The smell last night in my garden was over-powering from upstairs neighbour dashing straight out with his deal.

I think we 3 with bad neighbours need to pack up and move down next to Smiles & her H & nice neighbours grin.

Allsorts Tue 26-Aug-25 19:06:44

You feel the same as I do then Bridie. We shouldn't have to leave because of neighbours.
Babs its truly amazing how well dh is now, when you look back you see how far he has come.

Babs03 Tue 26-Aug-25 09:53:55

Hey 👋🏽 all, thanks for calling me an inspiration Allsorts, that has started my day off on a right note.
Have seen the tributes to your friend on a bench in the park Yogi, hoping to clear a slot to meet up in next couple of weeks, off to hosp again in a mo, Matt gets another heart monitor fitted, having lunch at the hosp, is the nearest thing to day out.
Thankfully he can now manage the bus with me but I worry about people not giving up a priority seat for him so am getting a taxi today. Will be able to claim attendance allowance soon which helps with travel.
Hoping your neighbours are ok Bridie.
Keep us posted about your health Whiff, hoping you get answers soon.
Bet you are looking forward to another gorgeous autumn in your home Smiles, fingers crossed we eventually get to move 🙏🏾
Love to all ❤️

Bridie22 Tue 26-Aug-25 07:09:31

That's how I view it Allsorts, I will wait and see who moves in eventually, it might be ok , if not I will sadly sell up.

Allsorts Tue 26-Aug-25 06:43:29

Bridie, that awful. Having a house next door turned into a house of multi occupation will have an effect on you and the neighbourhood. Councils should hear residents concerns and consult with them. I would contact your local Councillor if they are any good. . I am holding fire on next door although it started badly, showed no concern for me and caused damage to my property which he denies. However, I will just put the house on the market if I am sure I can't live next door to the family.
Can't believe how many years I have been on here. I guess we all never thought it could happen to us.
Just heard torrential rain after the most glorious sunny day yesterday, the garden needs it.
I have previewed this so fingers crossed

Bridie22 Mon 25-Aug-25 22:38:15

Allsorts, its been refurbished with accommodation for either contractors or bedsit type rooms, it will never be a one family home again.

Allsorts Mon 25-Aug-25 20:29:11

Bridie, hopefully next door will be sold and its amazing how quickly it can made habitable and turned into a nice home so fingers crossed. All councils have an empty house department, have you rung them with your concerns?
Whiff, how fantastic meeting someone so close and that you get on with so well, you can easily meet up. I have booked a coach trip where 2 posters live not far away and it would be lovely if we could meet for a coffee. Nearer the time I will contact them..

Whiff Mon 25-Aug-25 15:44:21

Allsorts words change on me but I also think I have written something and read it back and it's not what I meant . It's gotten worse since January. But I keep plodding on . As we all do.

When I had the bungalow repointed I didn't realise how much plaster dust would go onto my neighbours bungalow and drive . I apologise and wanted to clean up but they wouldn't let me . So brought them 3 bottles of wine to say sorry. Told me I shouldn't have but I felt awful. As they have been lovely to me .

Yogin glad everything in the park was nice and like to think your park friend who died would have enjoyed it to.

Bridie unfortunately there will be mice in the empty house next door to you. My bungalow was empty from May 2018 until I moved in August 2019. They cleaned the bungalow and got rid of all the rubbish but didn't tell me about the mice in the kitchen and loft . So first thing had pest control in . Have large electronic rodent repellers in every room every since . I hate having the windows open because of insects and my doors are never left open incase a mouse or squirrel gets in. Had squirrel in my loft few years ago that was fun . Luckily haf good pest control firm I used.

Seeing my GN friend I meet the other week gave her a choice of restaurants and booked the restaurant for October. Going on holiday with her husband to Italy on the train for just over 3 weeks . They go before I go to Harrogate. Which I am looking forward to.

Yoginimeisje Mon 25-Aug-25 09:38:54

Allsorts don't worry about the typos, we can all read it ok and when it happens to me, I don't bother to correct.

Yoginimeisje Mon 25-Aug-25 09:35:39

Allsorts I've met his DD quite a few times already, she is over a lot at the moment as she has a contract that takes her to Europe for a few months, she then has T's place as a base and then off again, but her contract has been cut short, should have been minimum of 2 yrs, so when she goes back this time it will be for good. It was a very plesant gathering, not over the top, quite casual, wine, little buffet and choc cake. S had a big book which we all signed, few photos taken to put in.

Your neighbour sounds like a nightmare, get those fences put up a.s.a.p. and stand your ground

Bridie22 Mon 25-Aug-25 08:03:49

Allsorts, its a pain that you have to put up with such an awful neighbour, it does affect your well being over time doesn't it.
Next door to me has been empty now for nearly 2 years, it was upgraded last year, the noise and muck was bad, now its been stood empty probably lying be a HMO by the looks of it , dreading new neighbours, hopefully I'm worrying unnecessaryily.
Apart from that, like all here good days bad days, we keep moving onwards, thank you for asking.

Allsorts Mon 25-Aug-25 07:18:04

Each morning I come on this old I pad which I am sure has a gremlin in it, I read what I am going to post, press send then see typos. Apologies. ( apologies came up as already pigged!)

Allsorts Mon 25-Aug-25 07:14:30

You are an inspuration Babs puttin your,house back on the market. You know where you want to live, I can't make up my mind, sure with the help of family you will find your perfect place.
I just have to put up with what's happening next door until it's finished. Only then can I secure boundries as he wants to take mine down for ease of work but I said no, that doesn't mean he won't do it though. Neighbours make or break your home,with bad neighbours even the most exoensive house will be a nightmare. It's time like these when I feel very much on my own.
Yogin, your park celebration seems a good idea, you can all meet your friends daughter, it must be so hard having her live so day away,now you will put a face to her. You all seem a friendly group.
Bridie, how are things with you?

Yoginimeisje Sun 24-Aug-25 08:04:00

Morning all

Good to read your hand is better today Whiff

Babs, so the moving is back on again, best of luck with it, you can get the movers to pack and unpack for you, it will make things a lot easier for you.

Bit of an odd celebration today. One of my park friends has a big birthday coming up next Feb. his daughter is over from New Zealand and wants us all to meet in the park to celebrate his birthday before she goes back home. I go there anyway, after my yoga class, so will just be there as normal. We've said why does she not just take him out for a meal as we will celebrate with him on the day, next year, with his other DD. No one is bringing a card or present, as his birthday is next year! So we'll wait and see smile

Whiff Sun 24-Aug-25 07:35:56

Thank you Bridie. Be glad to have my MRI on my brain and cervical cord done 9th as I go to Harrogate on 15th for 5 days. Fingers crossed the MRI will show something that will explain my new problems. Still convinced I had TIA in January. But know it won't show that . If I know what's wrong then I can deal with it no matter what it is. I am lucky to have a neurologist that believes me and cares .

Hope you are keeping well.

Bridie22 Sat 23-Aug-25 15:22:31

A wise move Smileless, long may you both enjoy it🥂
Pleased you are healing Whiff, hope the scan gives you some answers.

Whiff Sat 23-Aug-25 14:04:11

Babs glad your house is on the market and I know your family will help and already helping you both . Both your and Mr Bs lives changed so quickly but you have adapted to it . I know how hard it is your life changes in an instant with no warning and how it effects not only Mr B but you both physically and mentally. But your love for eachother will see your through, you have already been through tough times and Mr B pulls through he's a fighter and will not give in easily. You must look after yourself as well .

Whiff Sat 23-Aug-25 13:25:23

Thank you all my hand is lot better just a couple of patches of pink skin rest my normal pale white .

Most health problems having at the moment are from January. Having my MRI on my brain and cervical cord 9th September at 8am Walton Centre. That's the neurological hospital so used to people who's bodies do weird things. I am going to have to put my hands under my thighs to stop them or my arms moving . I hope that the scans show something then I will just cope with it. My life has been spilt between me pre January and me now . I do not like this me it's limited things I can do plus my speech is effected . I am a chatterbox but can't always get my words out and when I can they can be stuttery.
Meet a young man in his 30's on the bus yesterday he couldn't keep his body still and pulled his legs up to try and reduce his movements. He's head banged on the head rest . He had a padded hood on his jacket so said to him I was just putting his hood to protect his head . He couldn't have been more than 30 and he told me he had Huntington's. Never seen it so severe in someone that young . He had 4 careres but really someone should have been with him . I got of the bus before him. Just hope someone met him off the bus.

Then me being me was in Boots and a very tall young man his laces where lose so told him . He got his prescription and sat down I said I hope he didn't mind me telling him . He asked me what I had. So sat beside and explained then he told him about himself. Turned out he was 40 and single . Told him I was a widow . He said he wished he could meet someone that wasn't a gold digger . Turned out he was rich . So we chatted and then I had to get my shopping done and he hugged me and said I had made him think he has to do more with his life. I had said don't wait to do things . We decided to wait until the children where older and we where wrong . That's why I am doing everything I want to do now . Especially since last year I have more money each month than I had since my husband was alive. I am still careful but I do buy what I want but get my bargains .

As you might know still went to my sit fit Monday . Tuesday even though my hand wrapped up made 2 cakes to go to craft group Wednesday. Had good time at craft group chatted to some people I hadn't before .

Better read what you have been up to . I know Allsorts is going through hell with her neighbour. And the worst hasn't started yet. Sorry if I have spoken out of turn but you know how worried I am about you .

Smiles that year had fled by . I well remember when you first mentioned about a bigger lodge then deciding to move there permanently and how quickly you brought it and got your house sorted out and sold . Still makes me laugh when Mr S had the shed and bits where wrong but as always he worked out to put it right. And your joy at having a garden plus all the new friends you have made . Favourite restaurants and new church . Best of all it was your choice to move not like your old house which was escape from living anywhere near your son . I know you miss your lovely girls and sadness you feel at the death of one of them . But you have built a new life for yourselves and the dogs must love it being on one level and all the beautiful places to walk round you .

I know moving here gave me a home again and a life . The only negative is the estrangement but I have far more positives in my life . Plus better healthcare,lovely neighbours, transport system and see my daughter and grandsons but still very independent. Seeing them on Sunday with them going away and my busy life it's been nearly 3 weeks but in touch everyday .

Yogin those trampolines are always in pieces my neighbour other side of the fence my bottom garden has one but it's folded up and behind his shed when not in use . His granddaughter is 2 . She lives with them and her parents . Can't remember if his son says he was son or son in law and meet the little one . Who calls her granddad by his name . Her dad picked her up so I could meet her she told me she was 2 a little beauty with firey red hair.

Babs03 Sat 23-Aug-25 10:47:21

Hope your hand is healing Whiff, I know you won’t like any limitations this puts upon you.
Take care ❤️

Babs03 Sat 23-Aug-25 10:20:43

Happy anniversary Smiles and Mr S. Bet you are so glad you moved!
Raise a glass 🥃 in celebration.
Our house is up for sale again and the family helping us find a nice bungalow, but doubt it will happen anytime soon which is good because Mr B is still really unwell and needs a lot more time to recover and have a procedure on his heart.
Allsorts your neighbour sounds awful, as has been said can you build a fence, it will be an expense but perhaps money well spent. Wishing you well with that.
Yogi - what is it with giant trampolines, lots of gardens have them near us, in the last house we lived in the children would stand and stare straight into our garden, because they are so high, there was no privacy. Also kids soon lose interest and they are left to gather leaves and mildew at the bottom of the garden.
Good luck to them assembling it 🫤

Yoginimeisje Sat 23-Aug-25 09:45:29

Happy anniversary Smiles flowers One year in paradise!

Whiff hope your hand is improving xx

Yoginimeisje Sat 23-Aug-25 09:39:21

Allsorts is there not a fence between your gardens? When I first moved here, there was a low fence about 4ft, but no gate, so I put a gate in and felt relief once I had. But now we need higher fences & gate. The fence in the middle belongs to upstairs and when I asked her if she would be getting higher fences she replied 'No'. Getting just a higher gate will look a bit odd, but I think I will have to. We had new fences put in on our side, left, only Oct before last, so I'm not up for buying theirs too.

To keep good neighbours; build high fences

Yoginimeisje Sat 23-Aug-25 09:30:59

Morning all

Really sorry to read that Allsort, good neighbours are so important aren't they. I was chatting to one of my regular students and she has a problem with hers. Where she lives was designed for over 50s but young families have been moving in, families of 5 in a one bed flat! so same as me. They park over her driveway and won't move, big vans and all.

My upstairs neighbour had a huge parcel delivered during the week, her dad & mum where there, looking after the children whilst they were at work. I came back home to see the dad, having opened the 2 big boxes, scratching his head in confusion. When she returned home, she went straight into the garden, exclaiming OMG. I'm guessing it's the giant trampoline she has spoken of shock. They must have thought it was partly constructed, instead; big boxes full of single metal poles etc. grin. I fear an invation this morning as she rallys all her family to come and assemble sad.

Allsorts Sat 23-Aug-25 08:04:59

Yes Smikeless have new ones. Just have to accept the good days here have gone.
Are many people on your development there all year? It seems you have made good friends, is it the sort of place
you could live when quite old?
Hope Whiff is alright, she loves her craft work and baking and doubt she can do much of those with her burns, so if you are looking Whiff and I know typing is hard right now, sending you a big hug and hope all healed very soon.

Smileless2012 Fri 22-Aug-25 17:28:52

Afternoon everyone.

How's your hand Whiff? I hope it's getting better.

Is that a new neighbour Allsorts? Have you had problems before? It's a real dilemma isn't it. We did report the dance studio where we used to live and had to say so when we were selling our house last year.

Fortunately the couple who bought it have a daughter and she was a member so they were already aware of the issues we had. I sometimes wonder if they're as laid back about the noise now they're living there.

Well yesterday was the first anniversary of our move here. Hard to believe it's been a year already and to celebrate we went out for a lovely meal with two other couples, who came here at the same time. One is here all the time like we are and we've become very good friends as have our dogs grin. They are officially aunty A and aunty L.

Enjoy the bank holiday everyone.