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Support and friendship for those whose lives have been affected by estrangement.

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Smileless2012 Thu 26-Jun-25 10:42:51

So here we are again, another thread for friends we've already made and for those we are yet to meet.

The last few days have been difficult because for as long as some of us have been contributing to the support threads, offensive posts from these 'new' members still not only disrupt, but can hurt too.

'The truth shall set you free' popped into my head over the weekend because these 'new' members/trolls/previously banned posters are not being truthful to us here on this forum or possibly to themselves either.

In order for the truth to free us we have to be honest because honesty and truthfulness can liberate us from all kinds of emotional baggage like guilt and fear and also the impact of deception on our lives.

Guilt often prevents 'admitting' to estrangement in the first place and many live with the fear of permanent estrangement, that estrangement is inevitable or the fear of what a reconciliation my bring.

The impact that the deception from those who lie about us to others is sometimes unquantifiable as is the impact of lying to themselves.

What we share may not always be pretty, it may not always be easy to share or to read but it does help ourselves, one another and who knows how many who read but never post and that I believe is what really matters.

Yoginimeisje Thu 28-Aug-25 10:28:52

Morning all, nice and sunny at the mo.

No Smiles not been invited to have a jump on the trampoline next door, the boxes haven't been touched and I'm hoping it stays that way. They should change the rules so you can stay where you are full time, most are there 11mnths of the year anyway.

Birdie good luck with your new neighbours when they arrive.

Allsorts Thu 28-Aug-25 06:20:40

Yoga, please whatever you do don't get involved with upstairs dealers.I know it must be horrible having that awful smell wafting around you, just hope the guy gives the habit up. A very good old friend thought it was harmless and let her son smoke it at 15. What a massive mistake it turned out to be.
Thank goodness my four grandchildren dislike it as much as me. Next door had peopIe move in that used it but I never said anything, she died just past 30, now there's a new family. Any more problems and I will be off. Anything mind altering pointless trying to reason. You never know wherever you move to whom lives next door.
Smileless, those people chancing it are fools. That's most likely how they have lived their lives. it would worry the life out of me.
Whiff, your holdays sound fantastic, you are making up for lost time and you plan everything in advance and always enjoy them, it's good having things to look forward to. I now enjoy my shorter holidays, don't really want airports and particularly long haul, I am seeing this country.

Whiff Wed 27-Aug-25 12:34:56

Smiles grass snakes are on the in dangered list for British wildlife so that was a brilliant find. Saw an adder once on a Welsh hilltop on a big stone enjoying the sun . This was before we got married so in the 70's we have it a wide berth.

I have a frog in my garden I can never see it. But it appears everytime my gardener comes it lives near my pond . Apparently he's getting bigger . Not many birds flying today to windy.

Told my daughter on Sunday my holiday destinations for next year . Ok with Lancaster but doesn't want me to go too Dundee but I am going . It's just under or over 5 hours journey which is my limit. Her reason was she couldn't get to me . Didn't point out they went abroad twice this year for a week then 10 days . So they was no way they could get to me . I know she worries and loves me but forgets I had 13 years and no back up. When I had the limb jerks and not on heart medication I had needed for decades . I don't know how many years I have to beable to travel so making the most of it . But I am making up for the 19 years I went without a holiday.

Babs your family will help you with your move and Mr B going on the bus is amazing . He has come such a long way from when he first went into hospital. It shows how strong he is but it's mainly down to having a strong wife never letting him give up and the love your share together you make a whole and that is worth fighting for .

A layer of skin peeled off my finger that got scalded the worst thankfully when I was washing . And not dropping bits of skin everywhere.

As usual rambled on . My September calendar is filling up already and have things booked in October as well.

Take care everyone.

Whiff Wed 27-Aug-25 12:14:53

Yogin that's awful. If there are drug dealers round here they must be low key. But as I live in the north of the county imagine is more central .

Where I live I have wonderful neighbours. And I haven't had any problems with people since I moved here. Apart from 2 taxi drivers. I always use the same company they work for that company but all the other drivers help me . I have to perch on the side of the front seat and they grab the front of my trousers and put my legs in and out. They always offer my their arm but I managed on my own . I thank them but worry incase I pull them over.
I have been in the city at night but have never been frightened waiting for my taxi to come .

I have been in the city I haven't felt frighted by people . But I can't go because of the noise and buildings they set off my HPX. When I went to the Brain Charity it was fine because it wasn't in the city centre and once off the bus and onto the next one short walk to it. Same if I went by train .

I used to live on a good area houses near buy when for £800,000 and up to million that was 6 years ago so would be even more know. My own bungalow has increased to £325,000 from £220,00. But where I lived before would never go into the town at night. It was a small town but after my husband died and kids left home didn't feel safe . Even during the day I watched where I walked and have had people kick my stick they didn't do it on purpose but walked to close to me . They apologised. But I can't walk outside without it just not safe .

Since moving here I have never had abuse shouted at me nor be hassled by school kids waiting for a bus . They thought because they were with friends I wouldn't say anything. They where wrong . I can be very nasty when I want to be.

Moving for me gave me a life I am loving . Not existing . I know I have said that before. But my life wasn't my own once my husband died he was my life my home . I looked after my parents and mother in law who I hated for 40 years because that's who I am . I don't abandon people who need me . It's easy to turn your back on people . I know I should have done it to my mother in law but she was still my mother in law and my kids nan . Even when she denied she ever had a son or grandchildren. She didn't have the excuse of having any form of dementia she was just a vile human being. My father in law was the same he told me I was defective. He was the defective one.

We all have a moral code we live by and values we abide by.

My old neighbours weren't horrible people but only care about themselves. Here northerners are different. Plus healthcare is brilliant and transport system.

Allsorts and Bridie I couldn't live with bad neighbours. Especially Bridie if there are going to be multiple tenants . Especially if they all have cars and have to park in the street. Plus that sort of set will be aimed at young people not families or older people.

Bridie22 Wed 27-Aug-25 11:08:45

I think it could contain 6/7 separate rooms yogi, just hope it stays empty!
Please don't approach anybody using or dealing drugs near you, it could be dangerous, just reported anonymously.

Smileless2012 Wed 27-Aug-25 09:42:08

Just seen your post Yogin. Cannabis has such a strong and sickly smell doesn't it.

Oooh that's a good idea. Plenty of vacant plots where we are and Mr. S. would be on hand to help with any gardening grin.

Smileless2012 Wed 27-Aug-25 09:38:21

Morning everyone. Just got some bedding on the line hoping it will dry before the rain comes later.

There are quite a few who have made this site their permanent home Allsorts and from what we can gather apart from us, they don't own another property which they should do and are using an AC or parents address as their own.

Not sure how they get away with it because once a year we have to show a current Council Tax bill and one another, showing our permanent address. TBH I couldn't sleep at night if we were doing this because if discovered, you run the risk of being told to leave and having to find another site and the expense of having a static caravan or lodge moved would be very high, especially for anyone who has a double lodge like us.

This is a great place to live in old age. The lodge is all on one level and so easy to maintain. There's a shop on site which does restrict opening hours out of season, but there are days when it's open. We also have to '10th Hole' licensed cafe, open 6 days a week all year round and J who lives here alone, goes every day for a coffee about 11.00 am and meets up with others who live alone.

Fancy allowing families to move into a development for the over 50's Yogin shock. You have to wonder why anyone would think that a good idea.

Has the trampoline been assembled and if so, do you think they'll let you have a bounce?

That's great news about your house going back in the market Babs. Despite having a long way to go, Mr. B.'s come so far hasn't he.

Yes, we're looking forward to Autumn here, it really is the most amazing place for wildlife; neither of us expected to see such a variety. Mr. S. spotted the skin shed by a grass snake yesterday, it must be a couple of feet long!!!

So pleased your hand is much better Whiff, even the smallest of burns can be very painful. Oh yes, the nightmare with the shed with Mr. S. getting it sorted in the end which he always manages to do smile.

There are two more where we are as our neighbours were so impressed they got one too

It's never a good thing to have an empty property next door Bridie but try not to worry about it becoming an HMO. One was developed where we were living before coming here. Everyone was concerned but there was never any issue with the people who live there so our fears were never realised.

Fingers crossed it's like that for you too.

Yoginimeisje Wed 27-Aug-25 09:37:11

Babs sounding good with your DH able to get on the bus, take it it's our local hospital. Looking like there will be one more GN joining us for coffee grin.

That doesn't sound good Birdie with multiple occupancies, how may do you know?

I was closing my bedroom curtains last night at around 8.30pm and saw a young guy in a hoody standing outside on an electric scooter, lots of lights on it, so obviously using at night. I thought to take a pic as he was there quite a while, turns out it was upstairs doing a drugs deal! I've been thinking to say to him; not on our doorstep please, but wonder if I'll get myself into hot water. DH's [nxt door] son has come back to live with them as he broke up with his girlfriend. I had a long pleasant chat with him when he first moved back in, he then went up to the ' Edinburgh Fringe' in Scotland for the duration, back late last night, walking in with big joint in his gob. So got another one smoking skunk. The smell last night in my garden was over-powering from upstairs neighbour dashing straight out with his deal.

I think we 3 with bad neighbours need to pack up and move down next to Smiles & her H & nice neighbours grin.

Allsorts Tue 26-Aug-25 19:06:44

You feel the same as I do then Bridie. We shouldn't have to leave because of neighbours.
Babs its truly amazing how well dh is now, when you look back you see how far he has come.

Babs03 Tue 26-Aug-25 09:53:55

Hey 👋🏽 all, thanks for calling me an inspiration Allsorts, that has started my day off on a right note.
Have seen the tributes to your friend on a bench in the park Yogi, hoping to clear a slot to meet up in next couple of weeks, off to hosp again in a mo, Matt gets another heart monitor fitted, having lunch at the hosp, is the nearest thing to day out.
Thankfully he can now manage the bus with me but I worry about people not giving up a priority seat for him so am getting a taxi today. Will be able to claim attendance allowance soon which helps with travel.
Hoping your neighbours are ok Bridie.
Keep us posted about your health Whiff, hoping you get answers soon.
Bet you are looking forward to another gorgeous autumn in your home Smiles, fingers crossed we eventually get to move 🙏🏾
Love to all ❤️

Bridie22 Tue 26-Aug-25 07:09:31

That's how I view it Allsorts, I will wait and see who moves in eventually, it might be ok , if not I will sadly sell up.

Allsorts Tue 26-Aug-25 06:43:29

Bridie, that awful. Having a house next door turned into a house of multi occupation will have an effect on you and the neighbourhood. Councils should hear residents concerns and consult with them. I would contact your local Councillor if they are any good. . I am holding fire on next door although it started badly, showed no concern for me and caused damage to my property which he denies. However, I will just put the house on the market if I am sure I can't live next door to the family.
Can't believe how many years I have been on here. I guess we all never thought it could happen to us.
Just heard torrential rain after the most glorious sunny day yesterday, the garden needs it.
I have previewed this so fingers crossed

Bridie22 Mon 25-Aug-25 22:38:15

Allsorts, its been refurbished with accommodation for either contractors or bedsit type rooms, it will never be a one family home again.

Allsorts Mon 25-Aug-25 20:29:11

Bridie, hopefully next door will be sold and its amazing how quickly it can made habitable and turned into a nice home so fingers crossed. All councils have an empty house department, have you rung them with your concerns?
Whiff, how fantastic meeting someone so close and that you get on with so well, you can easily meet up. I have booked a coach trip where 2 posters live not far away and it would be lovely if we could meet for a coffee. Nearer the time I will contact them..

Whiff Mon 25-Aug-25 15:44:21

Allsorts words change on me but I also think I have written something and read it back and it's not what I meant . It's gotten worse since January. But I keep plodding on . As we all do.

When I had the bungalow repointed I didn't realise how much plaster dust would go onto my neighbours bungalow and drive . I apologise and wanted to clean up but they wouldn't let me . So brought them 3 bottles of wine to say sorry. Told me I shouldn't have but I felt awful. As they have been lovely to me .

Yogin glad everything in the park was nice and like to think your park friend who died would have enjoyed it to.

Bridie unfortunately there will be mice in the empty house next door to you. My bungalow was empty from May 2018 until I moved in August 2019. They cleaned the bungalow and got rid of all the rubbish but didn't tell me about the mice in the kitchen and loft . So first thing had pest control in . Have large electronic rodent repellers in every room every since . I hate having the windows open because of insects and my doors are never left open incase a mouse or squirrel gets in. Had squirrel in my loft few years ago that was fun . Luckily haf good pest control firm I used.

Seeing my GN friend I meet the other week gave her a choice of restaurants and booked the restaurant for October. Going on holiday with her husband to Italy on the train for just over 3 weeks . They go before I go to Harrogate. Which I am looking forward to.

Yoginimeisje Mon 25-Aug-25 09:38:54

Allsorts don't worry about the typos, we can all read it ok and when it happens to me, I don't bother to correct.

Yoginimeisje Mon 25-Aug-25 09:35:39

Allsorts I've met his DD quite a few times already, she is over a lot at the moment as she has a contract that takes her to Europe for a few months, she then has T's place as a base and then off again, but her contract has been cut short, should have been minimum of 2 yrs, so when she goes back this time it will be for good. It was a very plesant gathering, not over the top, quite casual, wine, little buffet and choc cake. S had a big book which we all signed, few photos taken to put in.

Your neighbour sounds like a nightmare, get those fences put up a.s.a.p. and stand your ground

Bridie22 Mon 25-Aug-25 08:03:49

Allsorts, its a pain that you have to put up with such an awful neighbour, it does affect your well being over time doesn't it.
Next door to me has been empty now for nearly 2 years, it was upgraded last year, the noise and muck was bad, now its been stood empty probably lying be a HMO by the looks of it , dreading new neighbours, hopefully I'm worrying unnecessaryily.
Apart from that, like all here good days bad days, we keep moving onwards, thank you for asking.

Allsorts Mon 25-Aug-25 07:18:04

Each morning I come on this old I pad which I am sure has a gremlin in it, I read what I am going to post, press send then see typos. Apologies. ( apologies came up as already pigged!)

Allsorts Mon 25-Aug-25 07:14:30

You are an inspuration Babs puttin your,house back on the market. You know where you want to live, I can't make up my mind, sure with the help of family you will find your perfect place.
I just have to put up with what's happening next door until it's finished. Only then can I secure boundries as he wants to take mine down for ease of work but I said no, that doesn't mean he won't do it though. Neighbours make or break your home,with bad neighbours even the most exoensive house will be a nightmare. It's time like these when I feel very much on my own.
Yogin, your park celebration seems a good idea, you can all meet your friends daughter, it must be so hard having her live so day away,now you will put a face to her. You all seem a friendly group.
Bridie, how are things with you?

Yoginimeisje Sun 24-Aug-25 08:04:00

Morning all

Good to read your hand is better today Whiff

Babs, so the moving is back on again, best of luck with it, you can get the movers to pack and unpack for you, it will make things a lot easier for you.

Bit of an odd celebration today. One of my park friends has a big birthday coming up next Feb. his daughter is over from New Zealand and wants us all to meet in the park to celebrate his birthday before she goes back home. I go there anyway, after my yoga class, so will just be there as normal. We've said why does she not just take him out for a meal as we will celebrate with him on the day, next year, with his other DD. No one is bringing a card or present, as his birthday is next year! So we'll wait and see smile

Whiff Sun 24-Aug-25 07:35:56

Thank you Bridie. Be glad to have my MRI on my brain and cervical cord done 9th as I go to Harrogate on 15th for 5 days. Fingers crossed the MRI will show something that will explain my new problems. Still convinced I had TIA in January. But know it won't show that . If I know what's wrong then I can deal with it no matter what it is. I am lucky to have a neurologist that believes me and cares .

Hope you are keeping well.

Bridie22 Sat 23-Aug-25 15:22:31

A wise move Smileless, long may you both enjoy it🥂
Pleased you are healing Whiff, hope the scan gives you some answers.

Whiff Sat 23-Aug-25 14:04:11

Babs glad your house is on the market and I know your family will help and already helping you both . Both your and Mr Bs lives changed so quickly but you have adapted to it . I know how hard it is your life changes in an instant with no warning and how it effects not only Mr B but you both physically and mentally. But your love for eachother will see your through, you have already been through tough times and Mr B pulls through he's a fighter and will not give in easily. You must look after yourself as well .

Whiff Sat 23-Aug-25 13:25:23

Thank you all my hand is lot better just a couple of patches of pink skin rest my normal pale white .

Most health problems having at the moment are from January. Having my MRI on my brain and cervical cord 9th September at 8am Walton Centre. That's the neurological hospital so used to people who's bodies do weird things. I am going to have to put my hands under my thighs to stop them or my arms moving . I hope that the scans show something then I will just cope with it. My life has been spilt between me pre January and me now . I do not like this me it's limited things I can do plus my speech is effected . I am a chatterbox but can't always get my words out and when I can they can be stuttery.
Meet a young man in his 30's on the bus yesterday he couldn't keep his body still and pulled his legs up to try and reduce his movements. He's head banged on the head rest . He had a padded hood on his jacket so said to him I was just putting his hood to protect his head . He couldn't have been more than 30 and he told me he had Huntington's. Never seen it so severe in someone that young . He had 4 careres but really someone should have been with him . I got of the bus before him. Just hope someone met him off the bus.

Then me being me was in Boots and a very tall young man his laces where lose so told him . He got his prescription and sat down I said I hope he didn't mind me telling him . He asked me what I had. So sat beside and explained then he told him about himself. Turned out he was 40 and single . Told him I was a widow . He said he wished he could meet someone that wasn't a gold digger . Turned out he was rich . So we chatted and then I had to get my shopping done and he hugged me and said I had made him think he has to do more with his life. I had said don't wait to do things . We decided to wait until the children where older and we where wrong . That's why I am doing everything I want to do now . Especially since last year I have more money each month than I had since my husband was alive. I am still careful but I do buy what I want but get my bargains .

As you might know still went to my sit fit Monday . Tuesday even though my hand wrapped up made 2 cakes to go to craft group Wednesday. Had good time at craft group chatted to some people I hadn't before .

Better read what you have been up to . I know Allsorts is going through hell with her neighbour. And the worst hasn't started yet. Sorry if I have spoken out of turn but you know how worried I am about you .

Smiles that year had fled by . I well remember when you first mentioned about a bigger lodge then deciding to move there permanently and how quickly you brought it and got your house sorted out and sold . Still makes me laugh when Mr S had the shed and bits where wrong but as always he worked out to put it right. And your joy at having a garden plus all the new friends you have made . Favourite restaurants and new church . Best of all it was your choice to move not like your old house which was escape from living anywhere near your son . I know you miss your lovely girls and sadness you feel at the death of one of them . But you have built a new life for yourselves and the dogs must love it being on one level and all the beautiful places to walk round you .

I know moving here gave me a home again and a life . The only negative is the estrangement but I have far more positives in my life . Plus better healthcare,lovely neighbours, transport system and see my daughter and grandsons but still very independent. Seeing them on Sunday with them going away and my busy life it's been nearly 3 weeks but in touch everyday .

Yogin those trampolines are always in pieces my neighbour other side of the fence my bottom garden has one but it's folded up and behind his shed when not in use . His granddaughter is 2 . She lives with them and her parents . Can't remember if his son says he was son or son in law and meet the little one . Who calls her granddad by his name . Her dad picked her up so I could meet her she told me she was 2 a little beauty with firey red hair.