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Estrangement

Support and friendship for those whose lives have been affected by estrangement.

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Smileless2012 Thu 26-Jun-25 10:42:51

So here we are again, another thread for friends we've already made and for those we are yet to meet.

The last few days have been difficult because for as long as some of us have been contributing to the support threads, offensive posts from these 'new' members still not only disrupt, but can hurt too.

'The truth shall set you free' popped into my head over the weekend because these 'new' members/trolls/previously banned posters are not being truthful to us here on this forum or possibly to themselves either.

In order for the truth to free us we have to be honest because honesty and truthfulness can liberate us from all kinds of emotional baggage like guilt and fear and also the impact of deception on our lives.

Guilt often prevents 'admitting' to estrangement in the first place and many live with the fear of permanent estrangement, that estrangement is inevitable or the fear of what a reconciliation my bring.

The impact that the deception from those who lie about us to others is sometimes unquantifiable as is the impact of lying to themselves.

What we share may not always be pretty, it may not always be easy to share or to read but it does help ourselves, one another and who knows how many who read but never post and that I believe is what really matters.

Babs03 Mon 30-Jun-25 12:33:27

@Smiles I think Mr S will be happy if bowls this aft is postponed, as will you, this weather is too hot 🥵
An evening match will be more comfortable.
🙏🏾

Babs03 Mon 30-Jun-25 12:30:47

Thanks for kind words, is great to be back.
Too hot here and Mr B is not comfortable, due to post stroke fatigue he needs to have regular rests/naps but he can’t sleep because of the heat and then he becomes agitated.
Have purchased fans from Argos which luckily haven’t sold out.
Am afraid am not a fan of such hot weather.
Yogi it must be hot for Joey, difficult to keep our furry friends cool.
Enjoy it with your brother whiff, and hope you have better health.
Take care all xxx

Yoginimeisje Mon 30-Jun-25 12:18:45

Horror of horrors! Upstairs have just come down into the garden with her f.i.l, Joey barking like mad. The little girl, so sweet, just saying hello Joey I picked him up to stop him barking. But the horror is: the f.i.l is cutting down a beautiful conifer, it looks like a mushroom as the base branches are cut away and has a lovely shape, the birds nest in it, blue tits, blackbirds and robins, that's why I now get lots of birds in my garden.

In it's place they are putting a big trampoline!! So I'll have a trampoline in the left hand garden, one at the back and now on the right!! It's going to be hell!!

She was saying about cutting the big Sycamore tree at the back, but was quoted a few thousands by the tree surgeons. He is just cutting it down himself, just has a ladder & a saw. I think there's going to be damaged done as the big branches fall, hopefully not on my side, but I reckon into DH's garden.

Yoginimeisje Mon 30-Jun-25 11:49:50

BBQ and sitting out till 10.30pm sounds good to me Smiles and a hedgehog! how nice. Yes, I'm keeping the bird bath topped up, have one on the ground, also my little pond. We went out really early this morning for walkies, kept under the trees, nice and cool, now sitting by the patio doors, wide open with curtains closed 3/4. Joey didn't get walkies yesterday as too late once I returned from my yoga class and visiting my park friend in hospital.

Mr.S is going to have 'Hot bowls' today, I think they may cancel as it's predicted to be 33c!! Enjoy your book Smiles

Whiff enjoy your visit with your brother.

Yoginimeisje Mon 30-Jun-25 11:35:57

Lovely to see your post this morning Babs flowers

Smileless2012 Mon 30-Jun-25 08:57:52

Morning everyone.

It's so great to see you back Babs, we've really missed you.
Such a shame but understandable that the move is on hold, hopefully next year will see you settled into a new home.

It's worrying and difficult enough without you having to worry that your ED may try to contact Mr. B. while he's so vulnerable, and doesn't remember the estrangement. Hopefully she'll stay away which is what she wanted when she estranged you.

It's lovely to be home again. We had some friends over for a BBQ last night and sat outside until 10.30 pm; it was lovely.

Mr. S. has just discovered that we have a hedgehog in our hedgehog house smile and has just taken a little dish of water down. We're keeping both bird baths topped up and have had squirrels coming up onto the decking for a drink.

You must be looking forward to seeing your brother and s.i.l. Whiff, are they coming to you?

How's Joey coping with the heat Yogin? Our's aren't too bad and are being sensible, staying in most of the time.

Mr. S. has two bowls matches today, one this afternoon and one this evening. I'm half expecting him to get a call that this afternoon's has been put back because it's going to be so hot. At 71, he's one of the youngest who'll be playing this afternoon and I'm worried about him, so it wont be great for the rest of the them playing in this heat with no shade during playhmm.

I'm staying at home with 3 parasols on the decking for shade, soothing sounds from two water features and my book.

Take care everyone and keep cool x

Bridie22 Sun 29-Jun-25 13:08:00

Nice to see your post, look after each other.x

Whiff Sun 29-Jun-25 12:42:33

Babs glad to see you back on the thread.

Thank you all for the compliments. But we are all strong and tough here we have had to be. Everyone has problems in life but we endure and get through a day at a time .
Like Mr B baby steps .

It's just I ramble on more about things . Talked to my brother this morning he still says I am 16 years older than him instead of 16 months he's cheeky and I will be seeing them on the 14th for 5:days .

Take care everyone and anyone who just reads hope this thread helps you.

Babs03 Sun 29-Jun-25 12:04:11

Btw thanks for being there it means a lot

Babs03 Sun 29-Jun-25 09:32:51

Just a quick hello to old friends and new.
So thrilled to see yogi the other day and Joey of course. Mr B making baby steps towards his recovery. But small victories are the order of the day. Find it hard to go out unless for a short trip because he can forget why I went and panic, and his eyesight is impaired so if I ring him he can cut the call off rather than replying. But DDs and SILs take turns sitting with him so I do get out now.
Scary moment the other night as yogi said, Mr B said he had been talking to our estranged daughter and despite not having her number anymore I wondered if she had somehow managed to call him, a quick check of his phone record showed he had misremembered this. Phew!. He doesn’t remember much about the estrangement so is really hard, and I am anxious about her returning to exploit his vulnerable state right now. Safeguarding him is our priority.
For years our EAC told people we were dead so I doubt she would show her face now. But it is a worry.
Love to all 🙏🏾❤️

Bridie22 Sun 29-Jun-25 09:29:00

Take care of yourself Whiff, you are an amazing strong resilient lady, you seem to cope so well! X

Smileless2012 Sun 29-Jun-25 08:51:53

Goodness Whiff shock such a relief to know that the paramedics were with you flowers. You said your DD was away so of course you wouldn't have contacted her.

Milsa and Mati flowers.

Saw two ridiculous threads last night and there's another one this morning. One declaring last night that they're not NiceDream which rather gives it away doesn't it hmm.

Just 'phoned one of our lovely new friends and neighbours to ask her to open all the windows in our lodge so it wont be like walking into an oven.

Take care in this heat everyone; stay safe xx

Whiff Sun 29-Jun-25 08:10:01

Me too earlier. Should we call ourselves Troll Hunters. Funny enough there is a film called that .

Feeling better back on my statin. If you hear a bomb go off it's me telling my daughter what happened yesterday. She forgets I had 13 years with no back up and I had limb jerks and heart problems then and looked after others. With no medication.

Thankfully moving here means I have both my diagnosis and on medication for my HPX and heart condition.

Put that antibiotic on my list not to have again. But at least my toe is better. Always find a positive from a negative 😁.

Bridie22 Sun 29-Jun-25 07:18:59

And me, they need a new hobby 🤬

DiamondLily Sun 29-Jun-25 06:47:45

And me. Jeez they are so boring and predictable 🙄

Madgran77 Sun 29-Jun-25 06:32:37

So have I! Hopefully removed soon. 🙄

Allsorts Sun 29-Jun-25 05:22:58

Just reported our troll on another thread on Estrangement.

Whiff Sat 28-Jun-25 20:02:26

Milsa you are a better person than me. I still love my son but I can never forget or forgive him or my daughter in law.I would never trust him again .. But it's been 5 years since I saw and spoke to him don't expect to see him again .

He called me vindictive and manipulative 2 things I have never been. I had a loving and caring son for 32 years. What hurts me the most is to realise my son is a cruel coward.

I will always love my grandsons as they are innocent in all this . Last time I saw the oldest 2 they were 4&2. They will be 9,7 and their brother who I don't even know his name will be 5.

Mati Sat 28-Jun-25 20:00:06

Hi Whiff,

I am sorry to hear you are so unwell. Thanks for your kind words. You are strong and positive. Having a big infection can wear you down. Treat yourself to some pampering by your family.

Milsa, trust has gone. I will never be the same again, now trying to be grateful for the good things in my life.

🌹

Milsa Sat 28-Jun-25 18:49:12

My life has been affected. And I forgave them and reconnected for a brief Hello, but never got back again to give them my heart or trust as I used to.

Whiff Sat 28-Jun-25 18:44:56

Did write a post but it disappeared. Short story had paramedics here for 2 hours . As my heart rate was high and BP very low for me. 111 sent them . Haven't told my daughter. Will tell tomorrow. She will shout but will point out I had 13 years with no back up.

I have been off my stains since Tuesday but finished antibiotics for my cellulitis today . Can have them again tomorrow. Feeling weepy but I hadn't had these antibiotics before I will put them on my list not to have again .

Whiff Sat 28-Jun-25 14:08:47

Yogin so pleased you saw Babs . What a lovely surprise for you .

Mr S is a whizz do you hire him out 🤣.

My daughter is 42 today and they have gone to posh hotel and spa in laws have the boys . Her husband came home from Toronto on the Thursday after going on Sunday .

Nice for them to had some alone time . It was this hot the day I had her and was hot all 11 days I was in. Had to have fans to cool down us mom's and the babies who had bright red faces. 42 years have flown by .

Keep cool everyone. 🥵

Smileless2012 Sat 28-Jun-25 08:41:18

Morning everyone.

Said poster started a thread yesterday afternoon Whiff asking why we lose new members and praising the posts she'd made under another name!!!

Thanks to GN for dealing with this so quicklysmile.

Our dogs have had their morning walk Yogin and wont be out again until much later for their second.

It must have been a lovely surprise bumping into Babs, it's great that she's able to get out a bit now DH is gradually improving. Such a shame about the move but of course understandable, things being the way they are.

Bless him, thinking he'd spoken to their estranged D sad it must have been a relief when she realised that hadn't actually happened.

We've got all our jobs here at the flat finished so will be going home tomorrow. We're only about 20 minutes away and really should stay over here for a couple of nights more often.

It's been so long since we did, that I'd forgotten how lovely our little flat is. I always feel immensely proud of Mr. S. when we're here, of all the hard work he did gutting the place and what a fabulous job he did fitting most of the kitchen, decorating and fitting carpets, laminate flooring and blinds; he's a star.

Yoginimeisje Sat 28-Jun-25 08:29:41

Glad to hear your toe is better Whiff, you have enough health probs without your big toe joining in grin.

Thanks Whiff & Smiles re: Joey.

Smiles you must be pleased at finishing off the freshening up of your flat, it's too hot to decorate!

Have a nice day all xx

Yoginimeisje Sat 28-Jun-25 08:23:20

Thank you Dotcom nice to see your post x