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Estrangement

Support and friendship for those whose lives have been affected by estrangement.

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Smileless2012 Thu 26-Jun-25 10:42:51

So here we are again, another thread for friends we've already made and for those we are yet to meet.

The last few days have been difficult because for as long as some of us have been contributing to the support threads, offensive posts from these 'new' members still not only disrupt, but can hurt too.

'The truth shall set you free' popped into my head over the weekend because these 'new' members/trolls/previously banned posters are not being truthful to us here on this forum or possibly to themselves either.

In order for the truth to free us we have to be honest because honesty and truthfulness can liberate us from all kinds of emotional baggage like guilt and fear and also the impact of deception on our lives.

Guilt often prevents 'admitting' to estrangement in the first place and many live with the fear of permanent estrangement, that estrangement is inevitable or the fear of what a reconciliation my bring.

The impact that the deception from those who lie about us to others is sometimes unquantifiable as is the impact of lying to themselves.

What we share may not always be pretty, it may not always be easy to share or to read but it does help ourselves, one another and who knows how many who read but never post and that I believe is what really matters.

Whiff Tue 21-Apr-26 07:11:33

Smiles when Mr W died even though we knew from the start he wouldn't live 5 years. I didn't know how I could face the next 30 years without him . Having the children home for 2 years while helped in some ways but in others I would have preferred to be alone . I went to bereavement group once a week while they lived with me .I didn't want to go and only did it for them . The people where nice but no help at all . I was 45 the nearest to my age was a 68 year-old man and they never had children. The woman where all in late 70-80's . And the woman leader was married and did a 12 week course . Luckily the children only asked me if I had a good time and never if it helped . As I don't lie I would have told them no . Only person who helped me was me and the promises I kept to Mr W and still do .

Some on the bereavement threads where widowed in their 30's and some had children die through illness , accident or by their own hand . How they cope I never know and would never presume to know how they feel as I don't know that grief .

I was always prepared to die first and knew the children would have to stop their dad drinking . I am glad my dad died before mom because my brother and me knew he would have been dead within 6 months without her he would have pined away . My best friends mom died beginning of the year and her dad died months later she said he gave up .

Because Mr W was determined to live life as normal only the 4 of us knew he was dieing everyday . As in his words he didn't want to be treated as a dead man walking. We treated eachother the same as ever even when he was terminal . Which meant we still argued and acted the same as always kids where the same . I don't know and never asked how they coped as it was private. And Mr W and I decided how the children would be brought up before they where born and that was how I was. The day our daughter came home from school she 8 and didn't tell us in detail about her day we knew she had grown up. After that her bedroom was her private place and it was up to her to keep it tidy and clean once a week and I only changed the bed and put clean clothes on her bed for her to put away. Once our son was 8 he was treated the same .

The past is gone but it does change us . I live for the now and future. My life goes forwards never backwards. That's why when I decide where to go on holiday I will never go anywhere where I have to change trains in Birmingham. I will never go back to the black country or anywhere in the west midlands. That existence has gone . It's not bad memories that I don't want to go back but I am happy here that was my past it's gone . I am even losing my black country accent and my brother who had a very thick black country accent is toning it down .

My brother and sister in law are going to see their grandson tomorrow. I say they are nannie and grandad but my daughter says because my sister in law is stepmom she can't be nannie . Because she is blood I have came to realise since I started going out with Mr W blood doesn't count . It's love and caring that make a family. My brother's children love my sister in law very much and she has always treated them better than their own mom .

We make our own families. Can't remember the old saying about blood being stronger. As we on here know it doesn't mean a thing when your own children turn on you .

Who we choose to be in our lives I have found is important to me . Yes I am lucky to have my daughter and family but I am not dependant on them I have made my own life . A life I will not give up . I lived 61 years putting others first . Now nearly 68 I live for myself and put myself first . Funny enough when I moved here both my children say about time.

Some may thing that is selfish but I have been a carer since I was 11. Having jaundice and finding out I should have died made me determined to live my life to the full moving gave me back my life and gave me a home again . I found me again plus finding out the 2 things I was born with changed my world.

Smiles you and Mr S did the right thing moving I know you dread if he dies first as no doubt he does you . But you are in a home you chose not like your old house which I know you loved but it was to escape seeing your son and grandson.

All those that have moved it's wasn't easy but from what you write it was the right thing to do for you . Babs and Mr B estranged daughter doesn't know nor will know they have moved and knows nothing about her dads health . Like my son knows nothing about my health nor will he ever know when I die as there is no need for him to know.

Smiles glad Mr S did well in his golf tournament. And glad you have friend from church over for a meal and enjoy eachothers company .

Allsorts reading that diary must have been upsetting but put things into perspective. But that has past . Live for the now and future. I know what you are going through at the moment but that's between us. We found moms diaries after she died going back 20 years . All she put in them was birthdays and anniversary and what the weather was like that day. They went into the recycling.

Babs and Mr B have some hurdles to overcome with his health but life will be easier for them in their bungalow.

A ramble so you can see I am back to me again 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Take care everyone . 💝

Hilltop Tue 21-Apr-26 20:01:09

Whiff, when younger lived on the edge of the black country, with relatives who were true black country people. I have not heard anyone talk with the accent for years and l would love to hear it again. I'm sorry Birmingham doesn't have happy memories for you. How long ago did you live in the west Midlands?

Whiff Wed 22-Apr-26 21:59:41

It's not Birmingham I just don't want to go there . No bad memories. But it's not the Birmingham office my young years
I lived in the black country until I moved when I was 61 in 2019. My brother's black country accent was lot stronger than mine . But I don't sound so black country anymore . But still call people ,love ,darling or sweetie. At least I don't say 'ah bin ya'.

Mom was born in Smethwick and still have relatives that live in Smethwick and Oldbury. But I was brought up in the black country . Dad was born in Guernsey.

But I love it here in the north west people are so different to black country folk . Plus my life is so . different. I existed after my husband died I had no life . I was on duty 24/7 looking after my parents and mother in law. I lost me after my husband died . Our home was just a house .

Moving here I found me again joined things I never thought I would . Love my life to the full like my husband wanted me to . My son estranging me hasn't stopped me being happy and loving my life . In fact I joined a contemporary choir tonight. Turns out I am an Alto .

I have a whole never life here I got forwards not back wards .

Hilltop Thu 23-Apr-26 14:15:46

Whiff, my ancestors lived in the black country for generations, around Dudley, Cradley Heath. We have a family bible with old information. My husband was not from there but briefly worked in Smethwick but was transferred to the South East, he had relatives in Guernsey.
I never had the black country accent but had relatives with it.

Whiff Thu 23-Apr-26 14:52:35

We lived in a better area of the black country near to the country side. Dudley was our local council . They where a rubbish council. Healthcare was hit and miss. Don't miss anything about the black country. Especially being snowed in every winter for a week or more .
Unfortunately Dudley and Cradley heath may have been nice areas when your ancestors lived there but not when I did . Dudley and many areas in the black country where run down because of the bad councillors not caring about making life better for people . They ruined what used to be a good market in Dudley with stupid rules and fitted stalls so generations of stalls holders left and all the good fruit and veg sellers.

Life and people here are so much better . No abuse shouted at me only kindness .

My nephew and nieces live there and when my brother visits he only stays for the day he can't wait to get home .

Smileless2012 Fri 24-Apr-26 09:26:52

Morning all.

It's not been a good week for me as I woke up on Tuesday with a stomach bug which only significantly eased yesterday afternoon!!!

Your brother and s.i.l. must have been thrilled to see their GS 'in the flesh' for the first time on Wednesday. I hope that your s.i.l. is called 'GM' or the equivalent because she'll be one to that little boy. We all know don't we that blood isn't thicker than water, and it isn't the blood that runs through your veins that matters, it's the person that counts.

Having just seen the weather forecast is another in a long list of the benefits of moving here. It was always a lot cooler and often chilly where we were as we were right on the coast. When we go back for the dogs to be groomed, even in the summer the difference in temperature is discernible.

Shopping day today and lunch out with a quick visit to our flat which we do every week to keep an eye on it and collect any mail. I do feel guilty that we hardly use it as Mr. S. put in so much work making it look fab but we'd just rather be here, which without having a permanent address off site, we couldn't have done.

There are some who use an AC's or parents address as their 'permanent' one but that's not something we'd have ever done, even if we could.

DebbieJP Fri 24-Apr-26 16:05:52

As some of you ladies seem familiar with the middle of England, can you offer any suggestions about where would be a good place to stay over on our next trip 'up north' to see friends later this year? As we live in southern England, we need to break up our journey there and back. Thanks.