Estrangement for celebrities

stillawipp None of us have any idea who is in the right or the wrong so maybe we should avoid jumping to any judgmental conclusions about him & his wife, & instead try to be open-minded about what may have driven him to do this.

Perhaps empathy for all would be appropriate.

I totally agree Norah - all must be suffering hugely, & my heart really does go out to them.
DiamondLily how sad to write a young man off as 'talentless' and 'living off others' , unless you know him personally, of course

The best thing the Beckhams Snr could do is to put out a statement saying that they love their son, welcomed their daughter-in-law and have no further comment to make on the matter.

Yes, maybe, but actually, I think their silence has been the best approach so far this week!

Undoubtedly BB has now become the public face of estrangement which of course is a Pandora's Box as to what's flown out of all of that. He's not the average Joe though. I'm not sure a child psychologist would side with the Beckhams as to how they've placed their children in the public domain and the effects that could have. After all the average person is warned against putting images/details of their offspring on social media sites. For the nepo child that's magnified by times 100.

Yes indeed - I’m sure there are regrets all round this week

IMO the Beckham's are doing the right thing by saying and doing nothing.

As for having empathy for all, I always have empathy for anyone whose been the victim of abuse whatever form that took, but I do not have empathy for anyone who seeks to publicly destroy their parents reputations.

If estrangement for Brooklyn was the best course of action there was no need for him to have done what he's done this week. He can get on with his life and needs to leave his parents, siblings and wider family to get on with theirs.

Who knows what affect his behaviour has had on his siblings. It was IMO a selfish self serving act which looks to have backfired on him and if it has, I have no empathy.

Well we'll have to agree to disagree on that Smileless2012 - I would prefer to look behind the behaviour rather than just the behaviour itself

I think his wife maybe behind the behaviour or at the very least contributed to it.

Yes, maybe
but, again, there'll be a reason for her behaviour too - we just don't know, do we?

Smileless2012

I think his wife maybe behind the behaviour or at the very least contributed to it.

Bit insulting. A mindless poodle following his wife?

Surely he has his own thoughts and reasons.

So many times here on GN we've discussed coercive control Norah that I'm surprised you've missed it.

Very insulting for anyone who has experienced it to be referred to as a mindless poodle which by the way is an oxymoron as poodles are regarded as one of the most intelligent breed of dog.

Smileless2012

So many times here on GN we've discussed coercive control Norah that I'm surprised you've missed it.

Very insulting for anyone who has experienced it to be referred to as a mindless poodle which by the way is an oxymoron as poodles are regarded as one of the most intelligent breed of dog.

I've read of coercive control on GN. Seems a common complaint. Perhaps, as cc is an offence, women should report cc to the police.

Why have you automatically jumped to coercive control though?! How do you know?!

stillawipp

Why have you automatically jumped to coercive control though?! How do you know?!

Me?

I have no idea why people jump to coercive control. We simply don't know who may or may not be controlling. Patent does seem controlling.

Smileless2012

So many times here on GN we've discussed coercive control Norah that I'm surprised you've missed it.

Very insulting for anyone who has experienced it to be referred to as a mindless poodle which by the way is an oxymoron as poodles are regarded as one of the most intelligent breed of dog.

Very insulting for anyone who has experienced it to be referred to as a mindless poodle which by the way is an oxymoron as poodles are regarded as one of the most intelligent breed of dog.
It is insulting both to the people concerned and in fact to proles.
There are many cross breeds at the moment where poodles are one of the mixes and yes, they are highly intelligent.

People who are coercively controlled are not mindless, they may be empathetic, perhaps gentle people and the controller gradually grooms them. Isolating them from their own families, making them dependent, is a common theme.

proles no idea where that came from.
poodles !

Oh no, Norah, I was referring to Smileless2012

Haha, don’t you love predictive text?!

If you knew anything about coercive control Norah you would know that the victim is usually the last one to realise what's actually happening, which is why other close relationships especially family ones are severed.

Your last paragraph is spot on Allira.

I don't know stillawipp. It's a possibility and a common factor when a once close AC/parent relationship changes significantly and/or the parents become estranged when the AC becomes involved with third party, often a husband or wife.

Believing that his parents are controlling may explain Brooklyn's decision to estrange, but doesn't explain why he's chosen to try to publicly discredit and humiliate his parents, particularly his mother and why there's so much criticism of the way he says his wife's been treated.

Smileless2012

So many times here on GN we've discussed coercive control Norah that I'm surprised you've missed it.

Very insulting for anyone who has experienced it to be referred to as a mindless poodle which by the way is an oxymoron as poodles are regarded as one of the most intelligent breed of dog.

Poodles are regarded as intelligent. Apologies to poodles. I should've said our Parson Terriers. I doubt these people are mindless as our daft dogs.

Norah

Smileless2012

So many times here on GN we've discussed coercive control Norah that I'm surprised you've missed it.

Very insulting for anyone who has experienced it to be referred to as a mindless poodle which by the way is an oxymoron as poodles are regarded as one of the most intelligent breed of dog.

Poodles are regarded as intelligent. Apologies to poodles. I should've said our Parson Terriers. I doubt these people are mindless as our daft dogs.

Does the Patent not seem over the top controlling?

I guess it may be a case of them thinking they were protecting him, but him thinking it was control…

I can see how it could be construed as controlling Norah, but it could also be construed as protection and not just of the 'brand' but the children too which IMO would be the reasons behind the decision.

I looked at the article on what happened at the wedding in The Mail today. The wedding sounds a nightmare of ego’s
clashing. Not a happy day. The best thing for Victoria and David to do is nothing, If they make a statement to the press just say they do not want to comment about their much loved son and don’t. I feel so sorry for how they must be feeling but they have each other and their three other children who must be upset too. I could never have hurt my parent I do know that,