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Article on older women, ageism and feminism

(56 Posts)
JessM Thu 12-Nov-15 10:34:27

Interesting that GN seem to have got rid of the category "feminism" from the Forum list.

AlieOxon Thu 12-Nov-15 10:40:27

On the same sort of line, a friend keeps giving me here copies of Saga seems to have changed since I used to see it at the doctors several years ago, and now features more and more pictures of older women....TRYING TO LOOK YOUNG.

And now only says on the front that it's for grownups...........

JessM Thu 12-Nov-15 11:28:34

The ones that drive me crazy are Woman and Home etc that have those incredibly airbrushed photos of older women like Mirren, Syal etc etc with every wrinkle and sagging jaw profile removed. Skin like a baby's bottom. Right.

soontobe Thu 12-Nov-15 11:28:36

Personally I think that the article is far too pessimistic and grim.
But I agree about the lack of older women in the media.

AlieOxon Thu 12-Nov-15 12:09:22

Amazed a couple of weeks ago when Priscilla Presley appeared perfectly presented on TV and I was watching with my GS.....I said 'she must be over 50' but he went to check and with jaw dropping said 'she's 70!!!!'

Is this what we are supposed to emulate in order not to appear past our sell-by date?

(anyone remember that the first Women's Liberation march featured the music 'Keep young and beautiful, if you want to be loved'...........

JessM Thu 12-Nov-15 14:54:10

She did look a little odd though didn't she, La Presley. Plastic surgery project extraordinaire.
There are lots of older women who dress with style and look attractive - but at the same time they are not trying to hide their age.

janeainsworth Thu 12-Nov-15 15:22:08

I must be more than usually dim today.

Can anyone explain to me what the sentence
"Unfortunately older women have come to symbolise everything that contemporary feminism seeks to deny: biological necessity, the body, the limits of internal self-perception as the sole arbiter of truth."

actually means confused, in particular the phrase 'internal perception as the sole arbiter of truth'
Preferably in words of one syllable.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 12-Nov-15 15:58:34

"internal perception" I think might mean how we feel on the inside. And that can't be the 'sole arbiter of truth'.

Yes. It's unfair that women get a physical cut-off point biologically, with the menopause. HRT all round?

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 12-Nov-15 15:59:13

Internal self perception, should have said.

janeainsworth Thu 12-Nov-15 17:05:23

Good try jingl
I am not really any the wiser as to what the sentence is talking about though sad

LullyDully Thu 12-Nov-15 17:42:09

I added Pricilla Presley to my hit list of "women who look wonderful despite being older."

Helen Mirren, Twiggy, Sharon Osborne, Joan Collins etc are all on my hit list.

However Maggie Smith, Mary Berry and Judy Dench seem to be aging in their own sweet way if I am not mistaken.

They really don't do much in support of the sisterhood.

Mauraann Thu 12-Nov-15 18:54:06

Maggie, Judy and Mary are comfortable in their own skin, they are all
icons who attained the pinnacle of success and have the self confidence
and poise that people with great talent exude. No need for fripperies!!!!

J52 Thu 12-Nov-15 19:57:02

It was interesting to see Twiggy on the Beatles countdown programme. TV can't be air brushed. She looked very nice, but her age.


mollie Thu 12-Nov-15 23:19:10

It makes me mad that we think looking young is a good thing. I wish, instead, we'd celebrate how healthy someone looked and how active they were or intelligent, all the things that really matter more than how much effort over make-up and hair has been taken.

Synonymous Thu 12-Nov-15 23:57:27

What a daft article! confused

Marmark1 Fri 13-Nov-15 08:54:24

Mouraann, well said.Those plastic surgery enhanced,people look like freaks most of the time.Pricilla(who is not called Presley grrrr) included.Did anyone see Maggie Smith on tv.She was asked about roles for older women,she dismissed it,"they've been saying that for years"she said.Judy Dench is my all time hero,How many times do you need to be told,Real beauty comes from within.Strong women do it alone.

LullyDully Fri 13-Nov-15 10:57:35

If people say I don't look my age I tell them this is what 66 looks like. I have been young, middle aged and now I am old I assume.. That is life why fight it?

Duncruin Fri 13-Nov-15 15:09:18

Good grief! I can assure the writer of this article that as I grew up in the 1960s and fought my feminist corner then, I refuse to be seen as losing my value now. More fool us if we go along with this type of twaddle.

chrishoops Fri 13-Nov-15 16:07:38

Priscilla Presley looked like a wax mask on the One Show, she couldn't smile or laugh naturally. I much prefer Maggie Smith with her wrinkles and beauty from within!

Mauraann Fri 13-Nov-15 19:37:24

Well said well said Mollie and Marmark 1.....Myself and DH ran our own
Firm for 40 years and I have been a Rotarian for a good number of years also. Believe me when you operate in a mans world intellect and stamina
come far above pulchritude.....' it don't help when you have to think on the

rosequartz Fri 13-Nov-15 19:42:32

My nice hairdresser was awestruck at a photo shoot of Priscilla Presley in Hello or some such mag.
He thought she looked absolutely amazing, wonderful etc etc. When I said 'She's the same age as me I think' his jaw dropped.

Bless .... (as they say these days)

AlieOxon Fri 13-Nov-15 20:08:11

I wonder what that kind of continual maintenance costs??

Falconbird Sat 14-Nov-15 06:05:48

I think Twiggy and Joanna Lumley (both in my generation) look wonderful for
their age. smile

WilmaKnickersfit Sat 14-Nov-15 06:59:25

I think most women of the same age could/would look like Helen Mirren, et al. mentioned if they had the same amount of time and money to spend, and the team of experts around them. Priscilla Presley is an example of far too much plastic surgery. You'll never see them with hair needing its roots doing. The makeup and clothing we see them wearing on the red carpet is only to be worn for a short time and constantly touched up between shots. And photos like the ones Twiggy does for M&S are heavily photoshoped.

To me there's a big difference between well maintained and looking unnaturally young for your age. Judy Dench looks great, but has pretty awful dress sense - although it makes her more like the rest of the us. I'm struggling to think of a woman in the public eye who I think looks good and the one who comes to mind is Nicola Sturgeon. A surprise to me. grin

MargaretX Sat 14-Nov-15 16:58:08

We who are not 'lifted' don't know what it all feels like. Remember Barbara Bush? She had a permenent smile and it was impossible for her to look grieved after 9/11. I can imagine your face feels tight and I wouldn't like it.
Looking young is nothing to do with feminism.
It is having your daughters in as good jobs as your sons have and equal pay etc.