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flowerfriend Tue 13-Mar-12 20:29:33

I dont have a problem with vegetarianism - I have a son who has been a veggie for 15 years. I try to make innovative meals for him. Not every time that he eats with me but fairly often. I often share what I cook for him with a friend who has been veggie for 20 years. She is delighted with whatever it is. This is all background to what I am wanting to air.
She doesnt believe in visiting the doctor unless she falls under a bus or gets mauled by a tiger. SO.....a great deal of her reading is about keeping healthy without the aid of drugs or surgery. Not so bad you may say but some of the things drive me potty. She thinks that I am doing myself dreadful harm by drinking black tea and that I should only drink green tea. I drink one cup of tea maybe five times a week. I dont want to bore with a list of like things but her sister says that all this pontificating makes her want to go out and eat something truly BAD. Can I say to her that I appreciate that she has her own ideas about healthy living and that I have mine and can we keep them to ourselves.

Elegran Tue 13-Mar-12 22:24:01

Add that a little of what you fancy does you good.

Moderation in all things is the key. If you occasionally eat/drink something that is less than healthy, your wonderful system will deal with it. The exercise is good for it.

If you overwhelm the system, of course, it will not be able to cope, but people who follow the "my body is a temple" dogma are not any healthier than those who just use common sense.

Butternut Tue 13-Mar-12 22:38:05

Yes! Absolutely. You can say that to her.

Mishap Wed 14-Mar-12 08:43:54

Sounds to me as though she needs a few E Numbers!

susiecb Wed 14-Mar-12 09:08:59

I too try to avoid doctors at all costs and try to live healthily but for me the important thing is to read proper scientific research with an enquiring and questioning mind. Couple this with understanding what your body requires and it will tell you this by means of making your life uncomfortable with indigestion, constipation, headaches, skin reactions, obesity etc. I wouldn't say I have got it right I still have weight to lose but I also wouldn't say I foist it on anybody else unless of course you come to stay and I just serve up the same food which is very simple lots of fresh food, fruit and veg, low fat almost no salt (we are both treated for hypertension) more chicken and fish than red meat, miniscule processed meat (the occasional bit of bacon) wouldn't waste my money on organic produce, alchohol in moderation laughing in great quantities.

Have a lovely day.smile

wotsamashedupjingl Wed 14-Mar-12 09:19:03

Yes you can. But I wouldn't advise it.

flowerfriend Wed 14-Mar-12 12:24:16

jingl Does YES YOU CAN BUT I WOULDNT ADVISE IT. refer to Have a lovely day. Or alcohol in moderation and laughing in great quantities.

wotsamashedupjingl Wed 14-Mar-12 14:03:39

Refers to your question in orginal post.

"Can I say to her that I appreciate that she has her own ideas about healthy living and that I have mine and can we keep them to ourselves."

wotsamashedupjingl Wed 14-Mar-12 14:05:49

I think it would be better to get completely genned up on the subject of healthy foods, and argue it out with her until she gets tired of it. smile

JessM Wed 14-Mar-12 14:12:01

Being lectured is always boring. My DH and I have a pact that I am allowed to lecture him about diet coke once a year and no more.
I agree susie scientific background is important. But it is also hard work. Much easier to latch onto a few simple good/bad concepts and treat them as a religious doctrine.
Food is something we can control, people like to feel they are in control of their bodies, therefore some get fixated on food and health.
You could try something pleasant but slightly deflating like:
"I know green tea is good for you. Apparently it is even better than the ordinary kind. Both full of antioxidants aren't they." And then change the subject.
(tempting though it might be don't say "my neighbour drinks green tea and she has just gone down with a really nasty painful incurable terminal disease, so there!) grin
If she has kids/ or grandkids ask her how they are. This always works. People never say 'not bad' and then go back to talking about green tea. Do they? Well maybe they do but only if they are upset about something and don't want to share it.
In which case try: How is your cat/goat/llama?

bagitha Wed 14-Mar-12 14:42:57

grin

dorsetpennt Wed 14-Mar-12 16:29:19

I hate the 'healthy bores' the 'sweets and coffee never pass my lips' bores etc etc. Moderation is the key - by all means be a vegan/green tea drinker but please let me enjoy my coffee and meat in peace.

jeni Wed 14-Mar-12 16:33:07

Interesting talk on radio 4as I was driving. Latest research shows chondroitin etc makesno difference to oa! Just as I always thought!

JessM Wed 14-Mar-12 16:45:00

I think the same applies to glucosamine - good quality research does not find positive effects according to cochrane. And i think they were looking at prescribed dosages rather than self medicated over the counter.

bagitha Wed 14-Mar-12 16:49:31

I now ignore all "healthy" eating advice and just carry on being omnivorous and completely moderate in all things! wink

jeni Wed 14-Mar-12 16:51:46

JessM yes it was also included as having no clinical response!

JessM Wed 14-Mar-12 17:24:29

eeets amazing how they get us to buy all these potions.

dahlia Wed 14-Mar-12 17:54:44

I, too, listened to that programme on Radio 4. However, have to say that taking glucosamine supplement has helped enormously with my arthritis, and even reduced the pins and needles from carpal tunnel syndrome. Not all supplements do the trick, but I have really noticed the difference since starting a new combination about six months ago. So what if it's all in the mind - if I feel better, then it works for me!

jeni Wed 14-Mar-12 18:12:34

Fine!smile

Faye Wed 14-Mar-12 18:32:33

I have to say it works both ways flowerfriend I drink green tea and am a vegetarian. I have only been drinking green tea for a couple of years, I just didn't take to it before that and I really don't care what other people drink.

I have been a vegetarian for 46 years now. The times I have had lectures from people telling me I wouldn't get enough iron/protein blah blah blah blah. I was once asked by my daughter's teacher if I was one of those nutty vegetarians. confused Each Christmas my brother offered me ham with my Christmas lunch, this went on for over 40 years, every Christmas without fail. The amount of times I have been out for a meal in a restaurant and find there is not much for me to choose from, some people seem to think you have to add meat to everything. Imagine what it was like to eat out over forty years ago. It is often people's assumptions of what vegetarians eat. Vegetarians might not eat meat but it doesn't mean their diet is always healthy either, some people just do not like to eat meat. The food your friend eats may affect her so maybe it is on her mind and she probably wants to avoid getting sick, so eats healthily.

I also will not go to a doctor unless hit by a bus. The one and only time I had to go to a hospital in an emergency situation because I had snapped my arm bone off from the joint, the doctor thought I had dislocated my arm and told me they would give me more pain killers and pop it back for me. confused

JessM Wed 14-Mar-12 18:48:47

Ow! Hope it mended ok.

There is a place for doctors, even if they are not all perfect. They have many lifesaving treatments and procedures at their disposal. Breast lumps for instance best shared with the doc rather than kept to oneself until bus gets you.

wotsamashedupjingl Wed 14-Mar-12 18:56:46

Well, if the bus gets you............

Sorry!

jeni Wed 14-Mar-12 19:21:09

I don't go to the doctor either. I stay healthier without them! They try to treat me, which makes me worse!

flowerfriend Wed 14-Mar-12 19:36:54

Half-brother is a GP and is quite capable of coming out with a lot of pontificating p..h but it never seems to have a great deal to do with what he actually consumes. Dear Friend and I went on a jaunt today. She showing me her beautiful French countryside and admitting on our way back from said jaunt that she had consumed a whole packet of Pringles - not the mini one but FULL LARGE PACKET - between our shopping town and our village yesterday in less than twenty minutes. If only I had had pen and paper with me I would have extracted a signature against the next time I get a lecture.

By the way. My personal NAUGHTY is a/two large Gin and Tonic/s.

Faye Wed 14-Mar-12 19:45:25

If I do get hit by a bus ie lump I guess I would go and see a doctor. I worry more about my esophagus than anything else. What I eat really affects me, I had a roast last night, no meat of course, but eating broccoli with white sauce and also yorkshire pudding made me feel as though someone had their had in my chest and was squeezing really hard. I could barely swallow, but eating the vegetables didn't bother me at all. If I eat certain foods I am fine and feel great, but if I eat something made from white flour etc it feels like the bus is already running me over. I have to avoid certain foods and just eat healthy foods.