Food Fat Rules OK

It's never gone away as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't live without a very thick layer of Lurpak on everything.

I agree entirely with the daily mail for once!

Strangely I was reading a similar article yesterday in a French expat paper - seems a UK diet doctor - Dr John Mansfield- has published a book about his conclusions with regards to fat etc. - book is called 'The Six Secrets of Successful Weight Loss'.
The article says he talks about the smaller amounts of fat etc we are consuming and the increase in sugars and carbs and this being the main reason for people putting on weight.

Atkins obese?

Have you read the article about why Atkins was fat when he died, kali? No? Thought not.

Anyway, he's only one example. I don't follow any diet. Never have. I've never cut out fats, or anything else. I've never been overweight. Nor high blood pressure, nor heart problems and any other of the supposed effects of a high fat diet. (Of course, what is called a high fat diet nowadays isn't especially high fat; it just isn't low fat).

So I'll be the counter-example.

The thing is, if low fat diets are so good, why is obesity increasing? Why is diabetes increasing? Why has the incidence of coronary heart disease not fallen?

Ditto your second paragraph Bags, except I have cut out alcohol from time to time but not to lose weight.

A varied diet and not taking in more calories than required constitutes a healthy diet. Cutting out or dramatically reducing certain food groups strikes me as pretty unhealthy unless medically recommended because of a specific condition.

Yes actually I have bags.
I'm trying hard not to take your 'No? Thought not.'as a provocative comment as I have decided to walk away from such remarks. So I will walk off this thread as I've been advised to do but wiser people. Don't bother to add a sarcastic comment such as 'good for you' again as I won't be here to read it

Of course it was provocative. So was your link. So was my opening post. So what? We're allowed to be provocative. Provocativeness makes for good discussion. Being provoked doesn't mean one has to take offence or get all huffy; it just means one can join in a discussion with a different point of view. Isn't that why we're here? I don't post things with the expectation that everyone will agree, or disagree. I expect there to be varying viewpoints.

Anyway, the article gives an explanation for Atkins' stated obesity. Plus, my OP was not advocating the Atkins diet anyway, so I regarded that as just a spanner in the works. Chuck some more in, why don't you?

Like absent, and no doubt many others, I don't advocate any kind of diet except eating the right amount of food of various kinds. My point is not that a high fat diet is good, but that a low fat diet is not good. I don't think there is any need to cut out high fat foods, just as I don't think there is any need to cut out other kinds of food. And I'm glad to see that more people, often nutritionists, are speaking out on this.

I lost weight years ago by following Rosemary Conley's Hip and Thigh diet, and this was a low-fat plan. However, what it didn't do was really educate me on how to maintain that loss, just saying that if the weight came on again then to pick up on the diet rules again. This wasn't a useful or sensible way to be properly nourished, I don't think, and after all, many low-fat products are high in sugar.
I now just eat less and have lost over 2 stone and am maintaining this ok. I enjoy butter - though not too much - on crispbread. If I eat bread, I feel bloated - so I don't eat it! Simple as that.

I am on WW and it is ,slowly working, but I have never cut out butter in favour of low fat spreads, and it is still working. The spreads are full of stuff I wouldn't t want to be eating.

I'm sure that a balanced diet of natural food, preferably prepared at home so you know what's gone into to it must be healthiest. I try to be careful about salt and sugar because I yhink you can get addicted to them and just want more and more. I'm currently following a diet sheet from a dietician and it's really all just common sense. Plenty of fruit and veg, some carbs, some meat, some dairy and some fat. Nothing is actually forbidden, you just think first rather than just piling anything on the plate.

If you eat more calories than you use you put on weight! Better to eat the calories we need through a nutritional balance of the different food groups so we maintain good health and energy levels.

Hark at me..2 st overweight!

I do the second bit..just more than I should and not enough exercise

I keep getting this thing pop up on my pooter telling me how to lose tummy fat by eliminating 5 foods. I clicked onto it eventually and one of the things it said to avoid was margarine [but not butter]. Can't go into all the details as to why not [because I've forgotten it] but it made sense when I read it. Also said to avoid fruit juice and [I think] bread. So a usual, supposedly healthy breakfast of wholemeal toast, margarine and fruit juice is a bad start to the day.

Margarine has trans fats which are unhealthy.

My guess is that refined carbohydrate consumption is a more serious issue than over consumption of fat. If you eat starchy or sugary food it provoked higher levels of insulin, that stimulates appetite. Fats proteins and complex carbohydrates keep your appetite satisfied longer.
Trouble is that those refined carbs are often consumed with added fat - so you get a double dose of calories.

And yes i agree with you absent

So do I. BUT, what's more important is that butter tastes better (as well as, just by the bye, being better food ).

Yes, butter tastes MUCH better. So do all foods which have been properly cooked at home starting with ingredients that haven't been messed about with. I also think that if you can (I know it's not always possible) sitting down to three meals a day and no snacking, will result in a body weight that is roughly right for you.

I firmly believe the biggest cause of overweight are all those dreadful fizzy drinks which are heavily marketed, and which children in particular don't see as being 'food'.

I remember when I was a child we sometimes had a bottle of Coca Cola as a treat at the weekend. My father had been to America during the war and discovered this exotic substance! 99% of the timeI drank tea, water or squash. The sort of snacks we see around now just didn't exist, a bit of bread and butter might be allowable between meals and of course nothing was eaten in the street. Some children now seem to spend all their time with a fizzy drink in one hand and a chocolate bar in the other.

Trying to remember when I last saw a child with a fizzy drink in one hand and a chocolate bar in the other....

No memories of that at all.

I'm sure it happens. It must happen sometimes.

I suppose.

It all depends on where you live.

I suppose.

Where I live I am more likely to see them with a Gregg's pie held in both hands.