Vegan/Plant Based Do you ever wonder about the animals you eat eat.

This is what was said in the OP. Eating plant-based can help your health by reversing heart disease and diabetes and some cancers

No one has yet posted anything that proves the above is true.

Fwiw, my family member does eat a plant-based diet. It didn’t stop him getting cancer at a young age.

Shelflife

Can someone please explain to me why they don't eat animals - and I fully respect and understand that but are ok about eating fish - another living creature?

Shelflife a vegetarian or vegan do not eat fish

Had anyone said that eating plants stops you getting cancer?

I must have missed that bit.

Honestly, we're doomed.

I am looking for peer reviewed evidence of the claim in the OP, Volver., which has yet to be provided. There’s no need to get snippy with me.

I don’t avoid meat and fish for health reason, but purely for the fact that I don’t need to eat a living creature to survive, so why would I ? I was a very minor meat eater, only really eating mainly chicken for years and years and then thought why are the poor chickens, often kept in truly horrible conditions, dying for my eating habits so stopped Then a few years ago I watched a Netflix docu about the killing of fish tuna etc and the thought of that blood filled water and those slaughtered alive beautiful fish stayed in my head and I just couldn’t eat it any more just couldnt

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36138327/

There is indication that higher intake of plant-based foods was associated with improved prognosis in cancer survivors. For colorectal cancer survival, a better prognosis was observed for a high intake of whole grains and fibre. For breast cancer survival, a higher intake of fruit, vegetable and fibre and a moderate intake of soy/isoflavone were associated with beneficial outcomes. A higher vegetable fat intake was related to improved prognosis in prostate cancer survivors. Emerging evidence suggests benefits of postdiagnosis plant-based diets on prognosis in cancer survivors.

Is PubMed peer reviewed? I don't know.

volver3

Had anyone said that eating plants stops you getting cancer?

I must have missed that bit.

Honestly, we're doomed.

The OP claims "Eating plant-based can help your health by reversing heart disease and diabetes and some cancers"

I'm going to eat some plant based soup for lunch while people keep posting the same sentence over and over again thinking they are saying something clever.

That’s still not reversing cancer, is it? (Most Pubmed is peer-viewed but not all.)

I really want to know if my son can stop his chemo treatment in favour of a totally plant based diet. Although he’s been advised to not eat a large array of fruit and veg. The only raw fruit he can consume is bananas and other permitted fruits must be cooked. Loads of veg also on the banned list.

volver3

I'm going to eat some plant based soup for lunch while people keep posting the same sentence over and over again thinking they are saying something clever.

Hahaha, good response

This thread is warming up nicely now

Sneaks off to open a can of oxtail soup

reversing heart disease and diabetes and some cancers
What part of "reversing some cancers" needs further than O level Biology explanation?

I have no problem with anyone choosing whichever diet they choose - freedom of choice and all that. However, some vegans try to impose their choice on others - taking over restaurants which serve meat, blocking tables even throwing fake blood around, invading supermarkets and blocking customers access to the meat cabinets etc.

I once heard a vegan condescendingly lecturing some people about the food they were eating when one of the group, a doctor, quietly informed him what his vegan diet was doing to his bone density!

@SueDonim and others I can think of, this subject must be very close to your hearts and equally distressing.
As indeed to those of us with cancer or who have lost husbands, parents or children to this cruel disease.
So go on eating your greens - nobody denies they are good for you - but don't expect immunity from cancer (or indeed, many examples of heart disease.)

SueDonim

That’s still not reversing cancer, is it? (Most Pubmed is peer-viewed but not all.)

I really want to know if my son can stop his chemo treatment in favour of a totally plant based diet. Although he’s been advised to not eat a large array of fruit and veg. The only raw fruit he can consume is bananas and other permitted fruits must be cooked. Loads of veg also on the banned list.

No, it's not the same at all, and it speaks volumes that the OP hasn't actually returned to back up those claims with any actual scientific evidence.

Posters have really fixated on one comment made by the OP, which is fine but does tend to distract from a wider, more nuanced (and probably more interesting) discussion about the reasons people refrain from eating meat or animal derived products. We also have the usual ‘vegans try to preach/ convert others to their diet/ freedom of choice type posts, which tbh don’t add much to the debate either.

Of course a plant based diet doesn’t cure cancer, but it can be a healthier diet. It can also be an extremely unhealthy diet, just as a meat based diet can.

As for ‘is it a more ethical way of life?’ I suppose that depends on one’s ethics. I certainly think it’s a more compassionate way of life (and I’m not a vegan). Surely no one can argue that killing a chicken at 70 days (best case in organic farming) or a lamb between 10 weeks and six months is compassionate in any way, shape or form?

Eating plant-based can help your health by reversing ... some cancers.

Here's some evidence....

But what I want to know is why doesn't this work miracles for everyone...!!!! So I'm going to ask really daft questions about it...!!!

I'm sorry for anybody dealing with cancer right now, but we should keep this thread in perspective.

It was that particular comment by OP which I took exception to and was flamed despite quoting it verbatim.
As far as the ethical, moral, nutritional, even financial aspects that is up to the individual.
With adequate information and a modicum of common sense it is perfectly possible to follow one’s. own path without recourse to fluffy ickle lamb images, pet cat or dog guilt trips or quasi medical anecdotal “evidence”

Well said, Foxygloves!

When people reject conventional therapy and put their faith in some crackpot snake oil (and yes, I mean it) fantasy they are deluded, not infrequently financially scammed and by rejecting even delaying conventional therapies all too often endanger ie shorten their own lives..This is rather a large leap from some posters saying they prefer to eat a vegetarian or vegan diet due to concerns about animal welfare.

It is interesting to note the tone of this thread; with few exceptions, the most strongly defended position is of the meat eaters.

It's up to each adult individual to choose which kinds of foods they eat.

Even though it might make them feel virtuous, one more person becoming vegetarian isn't going to change a single thing about how animals are reared. Profit will always be the deciding factor.

Be glad that the choice of food is there - for many people it isn't about choice, but about obtaining any food at all.

This is rather a large leap from some posters saying they prefer to eat a vegetarian or vegan diet due to concerns about animal welfare
It was nothing to do with criticising anybody who prefers a vegetarian or vegan diet, but about OP's claim that a vegan diet could reverse some cancers.
Not the same thing at all.

Any poster claiming no shortage of Vitamins in Vegan diet should check out this place

www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12/what-every-vegan-should-know-about-vitamin-b12

sorry I can't remember how to make a hyperlink but this is the Vegan Society website. It tells you to take supplements or fortified foods to obtain Vit B12. I did plenty of research bak in the late 1980's unfortunately it wasn't accurate. I became deficient in B12. And that does matter although now it is very easy to take Vitamins it wasn't really back then. I couldn't even find probiotics despite reading about them.

It's actually quite easy to take weekly B12.

I think one problem is that when we see others being "different" there are two types of people - either it makes us question what we are doing, or it (more probably) makes us defensive.

Some find it hard to accept that this (whatever it is) minority have a right to just get on with whatever it is so long as nobody is hurt.
I had ridicule, challenge and (sometimes) aggression as a vegetarian when that was "odd" in the early 1970s (and again, nothing to do with food, when we chose to home-educate) and then again when vegan.
It's "othering" and unnecessary.

Just felt the need to comment - nothing pointed intended.

The best vegans are those who lead by example but don’t preach or criticise others for not being vegan as so many seem to do.
Being told that I should be eating vegan king prawns (which do not taste like the real thing) or finding that the noodle soup recipe I’ve been using since my children were teens, has reappeared as No chicken noodle soup.
It never tasted like chicken soup, nor was it meant to.
Any vegan foods that contain chemical additives to make them taste acceptable (not all do) are a no!
Outwith the fact that you can’t hear /don’t know if crops suffer, are plant based foods which use vast amounts of land (and water that is needed for other purposes) any better? At the moment they are ‘ecologically sound’ but that may not be true if everyone converted.