Naughty clematis

The leaf looks like Campsis radicans. Is it deciduous or evergreen?

Merlotgran I think it's deciduous but I ve never taken much notice as it's never grown like this before just a weak little old thing till the trees were cut down it's just 'BEEN THERE' so to speak for 15 odd years but really just a nonentity this year it's gone man like a triffid but I ll let you know if the leaves drop at the moment there is still new growth every day

Just looked campus radicals up and it's not the same leaf merlotgran

They look like palmate leaves so try Cissus striata.

It does not look like clematis, but I also have no idea what it is. Lovely cover.

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clematis are strange! I'm loading up two photos the first one is the leaves of my spring flowering Grandiflora.
The second is called Propertius and should flower in the spring, but it has buds on now! Both were newly planted earlier in the summer.

Last evening I dug my head into the undergrowth just to see how deep it is It nearly came up to my elbow in depth of foliage BUT one trail of foliage has some little buds ? Could they be Is this more of a clue kind ladies ( and gents)?

Not my head my HAND ????

I'm wondering if it's wild clematis aka Old Man's Beard?
I hope I'm wrong I have been guilty of carefully cultivating weeds before now!

Virginia creeper? Because of the five leaves. Or are the leaves too thick and dark?

Virginia creeper - thesquirrelnutwork.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/five-leaf-vine/

Better photo - www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/weedguide/single_weed.php?id=35

No I ve got one of those not thick enough leaves Elegran and it's never gone red
Oh blimey I m now going to Google old mans beard
I went on a photograph plant identifier and that did suggest clematis but..........